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By Christopher Robin was Murdered (Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 11:33:07 AM EST) (all tags)
"Self-appointed patron saint of unprofessional behavior." Religion and politics. Fuck us just 'cause we know stuff. Dinner. Wrong about Chavez.


Office:
    Yesterday, around 4:30, Bella, self-appointed patron saint of unprofessional behavior, announced that she was boycotting the big box stores this Christmas. This declaration evoked in me several, sometimes conflicting, emotions. The first emotion being: "Who gives a shit? Why would anybody assume that their coworkers, most of whom are hostile towards just about everything you say due to your Office Space by way of Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God bit, give a damn about where you don't intend to do your Christmas shopping?"
    This was followed by, "Good for you. Stick it to those money-hungry pirates."
    Finally, I arrived at, "Perhaps this is a good thing, but I'm certain your motivations are going to piss me off to the point that I will find myself thinking of doing my holiday shopping exclusively at big box stores."
    I voiced none of these opinions. I hoped that, having made a general broadcast of her intentions, she'd be satisfied and walk away. To my dismay, Pete asked why. In fairness to Pete, he simply asked why and he may have meant something along the lines of "why are you telling us this." Unfortunately, this was not the sense Bella got and she began to explain. "I'm not shopping there anymore because they refuse to use the word 'Christmas' in their advertising. It is all 'holiday sales' now. It is part of the massive trend of trying to destroy Christianity by these people. You know the . . . um . . . these people . . ."
    Residents of the cube-de-sac tried to finish her sentence for her.
    " . . . who believe in freedom of religion."
    " . . . who follow the Constitution."
    " . . . the Americans."
    Bella protested: "This is not American. If America isn't a Christian country, how com God is like all over the Constitution?"
    "By 'like all over' you mean 'doesn't show up at all,' right?"
    "Does to."
    "Clever rebuttal," said Ollie. "Haven't we had this fight before?"
    Bella: "God's in all our founding documents: the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, the Battle Hymn of the Republic."
    "The Battle Hymn of the Republic?"
    "You know, [sings] Onward Christian soldiers, marching dah dum dum dah . . ." She let her voice trail off. Bella has this nasal, scratchy voice. Her voice treats song lyrics the way Lynndie England treated war prisoners. You actually pity the song.
    "Well, first, that's not the Battle Hymn of the Republic."
    "Oh yeah, then what is it?"
    "It's called Onward Christian Soldiers."
    "Fuck you people. Just 'cause you know stuff. Next time I open my mouth I'm going to look everything up so you can't deny it."
    Pete: "Did you just threaten us with being correct?"
    "I repeat," she said. "Fuck you people just 'cause you know stuff."

Home:
    Was on dinner duty last night. Made pizza. I wanted to try something a little different, so I used chorizo instead of pepperoni. I cooked up some chicken, spiced heavily, and put that on the pie. Mixed in a little pepper-jack with the normal mozzarella.
    I debated, briefly, trying to use salsa instead of, or somehow mixed in with, the standard sauce. Ended up not doing it because I was worried the salsa would thin out the sauce and make a mess. Couldn't think of any good ideas for thickening the salsa without screwing up the taste.
    The pizza was fine. It was still just a pizza, hardly a culinary triumph or anything; but it was nice to have a little change.

    After dinner, May hit the sack and I stayed up a little longer reading the NaNo efforts of various hulverites. Good stuff. I asked to read it weeks ago, but then have found I haven't had time to really get into it. I apologize to anybody awaiting feedback. I've been dragging.

Current Events:
    Heard this morning that Hugo Chavez has, in fact, delivered the promised 2,500 gallons of heating oil, sold at deep discount, to residents on the Bronx. I didn't believe he would actually do it, and I think I expressed that opinion somewhere on this site. Obviously, I was incorrect.
    For the record, I still think the American left's infatuation with the man will end in tears. Too often we've idolized left-wing dictators (and, despite his seemingly benevolent stance so far, Chavez is definitely a dictator), allowing ourselves to be impressed with their stated aims while politely ignoring their methods. I'm thinking here of the American left's embarrassing defenses of the governments of Stalin and Mao. Will the left one day wince at the thought that we cheered when Chavez sold cut-rate oil to the richest nation in the world, while his own country – even with oil money – had a per capita income of 1/10 that of America, just so he could score points against Bush? Will we one day play shocked at the idea that secret abuses could be occurring in a nation with a state-controlled media?
    In an interview with the Aleida Guevara, daughter of famed revolutionary Che Guevara, Chavez approvingly cited Bolívar's question to General Mantilla, the governor of Cartagena, "What good has this damn independence done anyway?"
    Regardless of intent, I don't believe anybody can ride rough-shod over their legally elected government, suppress the democratic workings of their country, and expect long-term good to come of it. This holds true for all political leaders everywhere. I think the left in the US rightly condemns oppression when they see it committed by right-wing governments. But we too often treated seemingly sympathetic dictators with kid gloves.
    Hopefully, I'll be incorrect about this as well. Perhaps he'll lead his nation into an unparalleled era of prosperity. Perhaps his nation will become a paradise on Earth. That would be nice.
    But, still, he makes me nervous.

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How many times does 'God' appear by DesiredUsername (2.00 / 0) #1 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 11:42:29 AM EST
in Origin of Species? I guess we can drop the "ID is a real science, no really" nonsense now.

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It Appears Four Times. by Christopher Robin was Murdered (2.00 / 0) #5 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 11:46:04 AM EST
Does this mean we have to toss out Darwin as unscientific now?

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Fuck me! by Evil Cloaked User (2.00 / 0) #2 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 11:44:36 AM EST
Bella said "Fuck"?


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Only Concerned with Blasphemy by Christopher Robin was Murdered (2.00 / 0) #11 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 11:51:53 AM EST
She's got no problem with foul language, provided it isn't blasphemous.

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Reading, Riting... by ana (2.00 / 0) #3 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 11:44:38 AM EST
Never mind the 'rithmetic. Whenever is fine.

So, how's your own writing going?

Even if it had been raining flaming poodles, it's better than work. -- blixco


My Writing Struggles Onward by Christopher Robin was Murdered (2.00 / 0) #44 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 02:25:55 PM EST
I've actually reached this sort of point-of-no-return spot where I need to finally pick a plot and stick with it. Up until now, I've essentially had two very different plots kicking around in my head. One makes more sense. One sticks closer to the theme of the story. Everything I've written so far sets me up for both plots. But now I need to figure out exactly which story I'm really telling. A little odd. Thought I'd know by now.

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Been there... by ana (2.00 / 0) #73 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 09:33:19 PM EST
It is odd starting out writing a story with no clear idea where it's going. I kinda wimped out in the NaNo; couldn't decide in the time alotted what I wanted to do.

But I think it's moments like this that attract us to write in the first place.

Even if it had been raining flaming poodles, it's better than work. -- blixco
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options and indecisiveness by Kellnerin (2.00 / 0) #76 Thu Dec 08, 2005 at 09:58:27 AM EST
I also know what you mean. I keep wavering about what my 3N (NotNaNo) is "really about," and I've been working on it for the greater part of the year. Probably would have done the same on the NaNo, but didn't have time to do anything but go, "whoa, didn't think it was gonna go there."

Which story would you rather write? If it makes "story-sense" it doesn't necessarily matter if the plot makes less "RL sense." Is there any possible intersection of the two? Is there a scene later on that you know you want to get to, where one of the options provides a better path to it? Is one of them more satisfying (for any definition of "satisfying") for the protagonist or other characters involved? When you had your revelation a few weeks back, was that the more realistic or more thematic version? Does the revelation still look good to you now?

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Things without which, death. --ana
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The Two Versions by Christopher Robin was Murdered (2.00 / 0) #77 Thu Dec 08, 2005 at 12:13:22 PM EST
Without giving too much away, since I think that might ruin future sections of the story, I need to decide who the "real" bad guys are. One plot makes the whole thing a bit of a twist and is more actiony. The other is more grim and thematically sound, but it sort of just puts the characters in place and then puts the screws to them; a prospect that is horrifying in a torturous sort of way, but not particularly thrilling. Right now I'm leaning towards the later one, but I think it might make for less pleasurable reading - and I'm not enough of an artist/writer that I'm above wanting to give readers their money's worth of entertainment.

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Without knowing ... by Kellnerin (2.00 / 0) #78 Thu Dec 08, 2005 at 03:43:43 PM EST
anything about the possible versions (and I don't want to, until one of them is written), I'd vote for the latter, too. I don't feel your story is overly action-dependent. If the idea of what you're fictionally exploring grabs you, I think you'll come up with something interesting.

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'happy holidays' is secretly christian. by gzt (2.00 / 0) #4 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 11:45:19 AM EST
Because who else really has an important holiday during this season? Everybody knows the only reason anybody is saying anything is the spectre of Christmas. The motivation for saying, "Happy holidays," is apparently to be inclusive of those who don't celebrate Christmas, but many people throughout the world have no holy-day to celebrate at this time.



I Actually Forgot a Bit of the Conversation by Christopher Robin was Murdered (4.00 / 1) #7 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 11:48:39 AM EST
And your comment reminded me. She said that the reason stores were doing this was to avoid offending Jews. However, she gave this excuse no credit as she knows "millions of Jews and they know Christmas has been around forever so they're used to it."

I can't believe I forgot that part.

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Won't Somebody Please Think Of The Terrorists? by CheeseburgerBrown (2.00 / 0) #13 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 12:05:35 PM EST
Let's not forget the other Major World Religions: Buddhism, Hindooanity, Scientology, Voodoo and Terrorism.


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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When I was a kid by DesiredUsername (2.00 / 0) #10 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 11:51:44 AM EST
I used to think that "the holidays" covered were Xmas and New Years, with maybe the tail end of Thanksgiving. It's "the holiday season" of 5 weeks. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if that really was what "the holidays" originally covered but that the religious nutjeorbs have decided to deliberately misunderstand it AND THEN be bigots on top of that misunderstanding.

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Yeah, I think you're right, I thought that, too. by gzt (2.00 / 0) #22 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 12:58:28 PM EST
Good call. Same with "Season's Greetings." Which season? The Christmas season.

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Jesus Is The Reason For The Winter Season by DesiredUsername (2.00 / 0) #24 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 01:14:59 PM EST
Damn you, Jesus!

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Oh and by DesiredUsername (2.00 / 0) #6 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 11:48:23 AM EST
last year, I took the Numbers to the planetarium around "the holidays". It was called something like "The Winter Solstice", so I thought it would be an explanation of the astronomy of the seasons. It was actually mostly a list of "myths and stories" that surround the solstice and just kind of put Christmas in among the list without comment or fanfare. Perfectly reasonable and logical, of course, but I found it shockingingly so, at least right after the 2004 election. Which is interesting.

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Chavez by gpig (4.00 / 1) #8 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 11:49:37 AM EST
does seem to have more than a little of the 'tolerate no dissent' tradition of the hard left about him. It's a shame that someone who stands up to US hegemony comes across as a thug building his own empire (in this respect, see also George Galloway).
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Chavez cont. by Christopher Robin was Murdered (2.00 / 0) #15 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 12:12:41 PM EST
Like I said, I hope I'm wrong about him. From what I've read about him and from his own extended autobiographical interviews, he seems genuinely to want to do the right thing for his people. He also seems to sincerely believe that he can wield his country's wealth for the greater good.

The question is what will happen when he and his people no longer agree on what is in their best interests (if this hasn't already happened and we just don't know about it).

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Indeed by gpig (2.00 / 0) #62 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 04:33:33 PM EST
I realise that some of his anti-US stance comes from the fact that the US intervention in Venezuela -- involvement in the failed 'coup' and the fact that they support his opposition. Bit of a tricky one, since without very similar support the orange people might not have won in Ukraine.
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When I first got into leftist books and writings by MillMan (4.00 / 1) #9 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 11:50:58 AM EST
I was dumbfounded by the same thing - a dictator is a dictator after all. Even today I still see the occasional "well the Soviet Union wasn't quite that bad" apologia. Luckily it's mostly limited to the older set who was around during the 60's, a group of people who need to be replaced ideologically, oh, 20 years ago now. A lot of them can't go away fast enough.

When I'm imprisoned as an enemy combatant, will you blog about it?


I Was a Teenage Communist! by Christopher Robin was Murdered (2.00 / 0) #17 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 12:18:50 PM EST
When I was a young man, I was unabashedly a commie. On paper, it seems so obviously humane and true and right.

I don't see, however, how anybody with any knowledge of current history can continue to believe without some serious reservations.

I'm not ignorant of the many flaws in American-style capitalism. But I don't believe dictatorship-style communism is the cure for these ills.

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communism does make some sense by MillMan (2.00 / 0) #35 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 01:38:26 PM EST
unfortunately, there is always some guy at the top with the emotional maturity of a two year old who controls all the guys with the guns.

When I'm imprisoned as an enemy combatant, will you blog about it?
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Human nature trumps human idealism by MohammedNiyalSayeed (2.00 / 0) #39 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 01:53:06 PM EST

Every. Single. Time.


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indeed by MillMan (2.00 / 0) #40 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 01:57:17 PM EST
but we can do infinitely better at keeping each other in check and preventing future BUSHITLARS from taking out their personal psychological issues on the world. Moving in that direction DOES NOT involve Yet Another Ideology and another Enlightened Dear Leader.

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Ideals vs. Nature - to the Death! by Christopher Robin was Murdered (2.00 / 0) #43 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 02:23:52 PM EST
I actually disagree with MNS that human nature always trumps human ideals. I can think of several examples of humans sticking to high principles and ideals even when their own success or life is threatened by maintaining said ideals.

This is what I like about democracy as the founding father's envisioned it. Checks and balances. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. Build in margins of failure. Aim for greatness but leave room for human cupidity and cruelty. Distrust both the single leader and the mob. A remarkably flexible and wise system, if you think about it.

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Somebody's Wailin' For A Nailin' by CheeseburgerBrown (4.00 / 1) #12 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 11:55:36 AM EST
I think you should suggest to Bella that she make an example of her beatific piety by crucifying herself in the Wal-Mart parking lot.

This would not only raise awareness for the religious facet of the Christmas social and commercial season, but if she could pull off a miracle or two it might just wow some of the godless liberal plebes into believing in the positivity of eternal life again.

Think metahistorically, act locally.


I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.


There's Only Fix For This: by Christopher Robin was Murdered (2.00 / 0) #14 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 12:05:40 PM EST
A crucifix!

If the topic comes up again, I'll pass along your brilliant suggestion.

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Sigged! /nt by ni (2.00 / 0) #53 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 03:31:13 PM EST



Think metahistorically, act locally. -- CheeseburgerBrown
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Chorizo on Pizza by MohammedNiyalSayeed (4.00 / 2) #16 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 12:13:23 PM EST

There's this place called "Bazbeaux Pizza" that was in my old neighborhood in Indianapolis which served a pizza called "PIZZA ALLA QUATTRO FORMAGGIO". Basically, from the ingredients list, it had: Romano, cheddar, ricotta, mozzarella, provolone, bacon and mushroom. I would always substitute chorizo for the bacon, and HOLY FUCK, it was the greatest (thin-crust) pizza known to man (I note "thin crust", as I reserve "greatest pizza, evar" honors for the Giordano's sausage disc deep dish beast, which stands in a class by itself). Therefore, I humbly suggest, next time you're putting chorizo on pizza, that you obtain the aforementioned cheesii, and make sure you put the ricotta on in big globs, not spread out at all. Just thinking about that pizza is making me hungry right now.

A fun-fact to relay to Bella is that our National Anthem is, in fact, a filk over the top of an old Freemason drinking song.

And I can't stand Chavez, but the Left does so love a good dictator, as long as that dictator hates BUSHITLAR. Sometimes i think it's because they secretly love being told what to do.


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Thanks by Christopher Robin was Murdered (4.00 / 1) #18 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 12:30:06 PM EST
More ideas for my mad pizza experiments!

Before I could explain the whole link between drinking songs and our truncated national anthem, I'd probably have to explain to her that the national anthem is not, in fact, "I Saw the Light." Think it's best if I just leave the whole thing alone.

Sadly, the left does seem to love to heap praise on dictators. You think we'd have learned by now.

Though, honestly now, is this any worse than the right's historical habit of selling weapons to them while pretending that they can't stand them?


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I always thought that selling weapons to dictators by MohammedNiyalSayeed (2.00 / 0) #27 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 01:22:29 PM EST

was more of a generic American thing, as it seems Carter is doing his damndest to make amends for doing just that during his stint as commander in chief. Maybe he's just hoping if he puts up enough fuss, everyone will forget what he did, since there's no convenient photo of him shaking hands with Hussein...


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I Think I'm Missing It by Christopher Robin was Murdered (4.00 / 1) #32 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 01:32:11 PM EST
This article seems to say that Carter encouraged the war - but all he did was put Iran under a weapons embargo. It says all the weapons came from France, Russia, Germany, etc.

Did Carter actually sell somebody weapons?

Though the question is somewhat academic. Joking aside, American presidential administrations have a long history of patting insane dictators on the back and telling everybody, "Sure he's a psychopathic son of a bitch, but he's our psychopathic son of a bitch."

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I can't seem to dig up factual proof by MohammedNiyalSayeed (2.00 / 0) #36 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 01:44:02 PM EST

But googling "Carter sold weapons to Hussein" turns up a large number of allegations to that effect. It is alleged that Carter helped arm Hussein and encouraged his war with Iran, then Reagan continued with that policy, once he was elected.

Crazy presidents. Crazy opportunistic presidents. Crazy human race.


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Try googling by DesiredUsername (2.00 / 0) #41 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 02:01:35 PM EST
"Earth created in 7 days in 2004 BC" for more conclusive allegations.

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On the List of Things I Don't Care About by MohammedNiyalSayeed (2.00 / 0) #50 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 03:17:36 PM EST

Number 3 is "Stuff My Tax Money Is Squandered On Teaching Other People's Kids". There is but one solution; no more of my tax money paying for anyone but my own kids, of which I have none. And since that's not happening, I'll let you kid-havers rant and rave about the specifics of how you're wasting my tax money.


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Well, that wasn't really my point by DesiredUsername (2.00 / 0) #51 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 03:20:27 PM EST
But is a good jumping off place for a flamewar, if I thought you were serious. Good trollerer, though--your life is unaffected by science teaching. Heh.

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Childhavers should be more responsible by MohammedNiyalSayeed (2.00 / 0) #54 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 03:31:22 PM EST

And stop having children. World overpopulated, blah blah blah.

On the real, most of what I learned, I learned by reading on my own. This is to the discredit of both the public and private educational systems in the US. One cannot presume that the public system is automatically successful, simply by skipping that point and going right to the assumption that what is taught, is 1) taught correctly, and 2) taught efficiently.

Well, one can, but that's sloppy logic. The type of logic, I should say, that I've come to expect from public education-havers.


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Nobody said it was efficient or even correct by DesiredUsername (2.00 / 0) #55 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 03:34:22 PM EST
The only claim is that you, a non-child and non-child-haver, have a stake in it being efficient and correct. Don't believe me? Ask your doctor.

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I have a doctor? by MohammedNiyalSayeed (2.00 / 0) #56 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 03:44:40 PM EST

What's his phone number?


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Me too by theboz (2.00 / 0) #64 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 04:47:55 PM EST
On the real, most of what I learned, I learned by reading on my own. This is to the discredit of both the public and private educational systems in the US. One cannot presume that the public system is automatically successful, simply by skipping that point and going right to the assumption that what is taught, is 1) taught correctly, and 2) taught efficiently.

I learned mostly on my own too once I learned how to read. However, I am not opposed to a public education. It should be taught correctly and efficiently, and we should have more stringent rules about education. I'd almost say that dropouts should be put to death, but obviously that is too extreme. However, a high school education should be required to be a member of society. I don't know that I feel comfortable with someone who is unable to read and unwilling to read running around freely in public.
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Everybody with an arms industry by jump the ladder (4.00 / 1) #38 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 01:49:44 PM EST
Sells arms to dictators because dictators like buying lots of arms. Plus you get a bit of political leverage.

UK, France, China, Germany, Russia all do it.

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MNS by lb008d (4.00 / 1) #25 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 01:15:05 PM EST
If you're ever near Los Alamos, NM, I recommend getting the Super breakfast burrito from Chili Works. Warm flour tortilla, scrambled eggs, two pieces of real bacon, several pieces of real ham, hash browns, cheese, and of course, lots of chorizo. You can get it with either red or green chile sauce. Truly a breakfast icon. I've tried to duplicate it at home but the flavor isn't the same as the meat that comes off of their, let's call it "seasoned", grill.

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Ooooh, ooooh, oooh! by MohammedNiyalSayeed (4.00 / 1) #28 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 01:24:45 PM EST

That sounds friggin' INTENSE.

I've long wanted to visit the Trinity Site, so a good breakfast near Los Alamos might be the straw that breaks the camel's back...


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Seriously... by lb008d (4.00 / 1) #42 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 02:05:15 PM EST
those burritos should be prescribed for constipation, such is their bowel-moving ability.

And even though Trinity is near Alamogordo and far away from Los Alamos it's worth the trip since you can hit LA and Santa Fe the same day.

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Giordano's is a close second by garlic (4.00 / 1) #31 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 01:27:03 PM EST
to Lou Malnati's sausage disk pizza.

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Oh, FUCK YEAH by MohammedNiyalSayeed (2.00 / 0) #33 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 01:36:29 PM EST

Man, I totally forgot about Ill Lou Malnati's!


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our dept. holiday lunches are always there. by garlic (4.00 / 1) #37 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 01:48:52 PM EST


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+4 sausage disc. by gzt (2.00 / 0) #66 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 05:18:49 PM EST


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pizza.. by sasquatchan (4.00 / 2) #19 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 12:39:11 PM EST
Pizza can transcend normalcy. It just takes money. We make a good pizza (home made sourdough crust, etc), but the friggin cheese we put on it comes to maybe $20, just too dang much for a reasonable dinner/meal (granted, there's always left over cheese, but still).. Fresh mozilla, fontina, real parmesian (and such that you can smell 20 feet away), maybe jarlsburg or some other fancy cheeses.. No pedestrian cheddar here ;) Plus spices, red-pepper flakes, onions, peppers, tomatoes (though now we've frosted, the cherry tomato plant isn't putting out any more).

Damn good stuff. Lots of cheese, no pizza/tomato sauce.

Killin' me with the one liner similes, like the red wine hitter..

Her voice treats song lyrics the way Lynndie England treated war prisoners.




Yum. by lb008d (4.00 / 1) #23 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 01:10:07 PM EST
Our favorite pizza is a three-grain crust (rye, whole wheat, regular wheat, I think) topped with garlic olive oil, sundried tomatoes, mounds of chopped fresh basil, soft goat cheese, parmesean cheese, fontina cheese (I know what you mean about expensive cheese!) and caramelized onions.

I'm getting hungry just thinking about it.

Today's Lynndie simile made me laugh as well.

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One Day I'll Go Down to the Fancy Food Shoppe by Christopher Robin was Murdered (4.00 / 1) #26 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 01:22:05 PM EST
And gather up grade-A stuff for one of these Mother Of All Pizzas (MOAP). We'll have to tweak the recipe - May's got some food aversions that I've been unable to break, but we could follow the basic template.

I'm glad you liked the one liner. It took me forever to remember how Lynndie was spelled.

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Attention Zealot Infidels: by Awakened Dreamer (4.00 / 3) #20 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 12:40:30 PM EST

Your perceived persecution would stop if you'd JUST! SHUT! UP!

Somehow I finally managed to convince my grandma that it was fine if she's religious and I have no problem with her occassionally slipping a "praying to god" or something into conversation, but if she tries to beat it into my head by adding it every other sentence I'm just going to stop talking with her altogether.

Too bad that probably wouldn't work with your office mate there.

"Jesus wants you to have short hair."

Gah. Grandma. SHUT UP!



Jesus wants us all to have manly beards by MohammedNiyalSayeed (2.00 / 0) #30 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 01:26:09 PM EST

On that, the dude and I see eye to eye.


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My actual response. . . by Awakened Dreamer (4.00 / 2) #34 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 01:37:46 PM EST

"Show my a pictorial representation of Jesus with short hair, and I'll go get mine cut this minute."

Shut her right up.

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Ah. by ambrosen (2.00 / 0) #45 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 02:40:03 PM EST
I presume she would be from a sect which isn't interested in pictures of Jesus, then?

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Not that. by Awakened Dreamer (4.00 / 1) #46 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 02:46:27 PM EST

She's one of the people who gave in to the hippy-Jesus culture. I swear, she has to have a hundred pictures of Jesus around her house with hippy-long hair down to his waist and a beard that made mine look positively well kept (back when my version of "well kept" was run a brush through it once a week).

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Right. by ambrosen (2.00 / 0) #48 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 02:59:58 PM EST
So she's not one of the "bomb the towelhead" types who thinks that Arabs are degenerate, not like Christians at all.

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No, no. by Awakened Dreamer (2.00 / 0) #49 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 03:03:28 PM EST

Arabs were OK back in Jesus's day. But nowadays. . .

Good gord I hate to think of that last conversation we had about terra'ists. She's even more narrow minded than I thought she was when I was a teenager.

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That's well informed by ambrosen (4.00 / 1) #61 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 04:25:59 PM EST
comparitively.

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Fuck you people just 'cause you know how to write by ambrosen (4.00 / 1) #21 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 12:41:16 PM EST




misc comments by clover kicker (4.00 / 1) #29 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 01:24:58 PM EST
> Couldn't think of any good ideas for thickening
> the salsa without screwing up the taste.

Corn starch?

> Will the left one day wince at the thought that
> we cheered when Chavez sold cut-rate oil to the
> richest nation in the world, while his own
> country – even with oil money – had a per capita
> income of 1/10 that of America, just so he could
> score points against Bush?

He's got fuckloads of oil, that isn't even a drop in the bucket.

Is he trying to run down Bush at home, or is this publicity stunt intended to help him domestically?

> I think the left in the US rightly condemns
> oppression when they see it committed by
> right-wing governments. But we too often treated
> seemingly sympathetic dictators with kid gloves.

Defintately. I might share certain interests with the enemy of my enemy, but I don't have to fucking marry them.

But American right wingers are just as bad (Pinochet, the Saudi/Kuwaiti monarchies, hell even Saddam in the 80s).



About Chavez by theboz (4.00 / 2) #47 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 02:51:03 PM EST
I'm curious by what standards you label him a dictator. I don't know enough about him either way but he seems ok. What has he done that would make you mistrustful of him, or even, what has he done that would be worse than what Bush has done?

My complaint is that I always hear people spouting off things that are public "knowledge" like this, but most people don't seem to have thought about it or researched it at all. I'm not here to defend Chavez necessarily, but I see no reason to label him a dictator just because he trolls Bush by hugging Castro every now and then.
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Here's some linkies: by MohammedNiyalSayeed (2.00 / 0) #52 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 03:28:33 PM EST

John Kerry on Chavez, BBC on Chavez firing 15 dissident military officials, Chavez ordering the arrest of dissidents, BBC on violence in protests in Venezuela, Chavez chilling with good old Moammar Gaddafi, Chavez and his buddy, noted humanitarian, Saddam Hussein, critic speaks up, gets arrested, comparison to Mussolini, Venezuela: #1 in Jail Violence, two protesters murdered by Chavez's stormtroopers. For starters. I don't recall any USian protesters being shot to death by BUSHITLAR's stormtroopers, but maybe I've just got selective memory.


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So what, exactly did he do? by ShadowNode (2.00 / 0) #57 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 03:49:30 PM EST
All I see in there is some discipline applied to military officers improperly using their positions. Hell, it seems downright wimpy considering there was an attempted coup.

There have been free, fair elections that put this guy in power. The fact that he pisses off people with lots of money doesn't make him a dictator.

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Look harder by MohammedNiyalSayeed (2.00 / 0) #58 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 03:51:04 PM EST

I can't read the articles for you, I already did more than my share.


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*shrug* by ShadowNode (2.00 / 0) #69 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 05:37:48 PM EST
I don't see anything untoward in those articles. Sorry.

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Free and Fair Elections by Christopher Robin was Murdered (2.00 / 0) #60 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 04:00:57 PM EST
The 2000 elections, the one that got Chavez re-elected prior to the coup attempt, was actually declared illegal by international observers.

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So was the election of George Bush by ShadowNode (2.00 / 0) #68 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 05:36:48 PM EST
But not by anyone credible...

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The Difference by Christopher Robin was Murdered (4.00 / 1) #70 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 05:45:46 PM EST
Prior to the 2000 elections, Chavez and his Constitutional Assembly disassembled the National Assembly. They instituted an new Constitution and then, less than a year later, held new elections.

International monitors declared that the 2000 elections were both 1) unconstitutional under the terms of the very Constitution Chavez and his Constitutional Assembly put in place and it was 2) too poorly managed and corruptly run to provide reliable results.

For a comparable thing to happen, Bush would had to have assembled a new legislative body, made a new Constitution, nullified Congress, removed hundreds of judges from the judiciary, held new elections in violation of the election rules in his new Constitution, and then ignored the decision of a group of international monitors (the same group that certified his previous election).

I don't think the two situations have anything but the most surface similarities.

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no, you're wrong by nathan (4.00 / 1) #75 Thu Dec 08, 2005 at 05:48:16 AM EST
And here's why: BUSHITLAR BUSHITLAR BUSHITLAR

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I still don't see it by theboz (2.00 / 0) #63 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 04:38:19 PM EST
First of all, John Kerry sucks ass, and I bet you and I both would prefer not to discuss him and hope he retires soon or something to go polish his chin.

Secondly, the other arguments boil down mostly to first that he hangs out with bad people sometimes (Khadafi, Hussein (just like Rumsfeld), Castro, etc) which does make him questionable, but doesn't make him guilty of anything. Yes I realize that Michael Moore picked up on the fact that the Bush family is friends with the bin Laden family, but even that doesn't prove that Bush is evil, just that he has bad friends. The second one is that Chavez fires military officers for supporting a coup and trouble. Even in the U.S. members of the military do not have free speech and would end up arrested if they were to call for riots or a coup. It's a lot like what happened to General Shinseki actually. None of this stuff is good, but it hardly means that either Chavez or Bush are dictators. The third thing you said was, "I don't recall any USian protesters being shot to death by BUSHITLAR's stormtroopers", upon which you didn't provide proof that Chavez's men have killed protesters either. article you linked to did not say that Chavez's men actually killed anyone. Two key things to point out from the article are:

Pitched battles erupted between thousands of rival demonstrators in Caracas, during which security forces fired rubber bullets and tear gas to separate the two sides.
Note that the police were using rubber bullets, but then...
Then shots were fired by unidentified gunmen at opposition marchers as they clashed with government supporters near the city's main military base.
The gunmen were unidentified. They could have been police, they could have been military, they could have been Chavez supporters, who knows? The problem is that it doesn't say. To me just being an asshole in charge of a country doesn't make that asshole a dictator. A dictator is more like Pinochet who is charged with, "119 people are alleged to have been abducted by state forces and later killed in the 1975 secret operation." Chavez has done nothing like this, thus far. Would I be suprised if he does end up killing a lot of people? I hate to say it, but no, I wouldn't be suprised if he were to become a dictator. However, nothing he has done that I am aware of is indicative that he is one right now.
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I Think We're Using Dictator Differently by Christopher Robin was Murdered (4.00 / 1) #65 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 04:49:45 PM EST
I mean in simply in the sense of "holds supreme and unchecked political authority."

Not "he is a violent and murderous bastard."

My problem is simply that leaders with so much power have a way of switching from the people's hero into a bloody tyrant. Given the left's history of supporting dictators who appear to have good motives, but later turn out to have been madmen, I'm just suggesting that we should be a little more luke warm in our embrace of him.

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I agree then by theboz (4.00 / 1) #67 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 05:23:42 PM EST
I definitely like some of the things he does and has done in the past such as delivering the oil cheaply and such. I like that within his country his government has seized unused land and gave it to poor people who are now working it and making a living for themselves.

However, that doesn't mean that if he were to start killing a bunch of people I would still brag about how great his previous actions are. Like I said, it wouldn't suprise me if he became a "violent and murderous bastard" but until he does I won't call him a dictator.

Also, your definition is probably more correct. I just always assumed that the dictator aspect had the negative connotations that they have committed attrocities and have the will of the people against them. Although you mentioned before that Venezuela's elections may not have been fair, I haven't looked into it with detail to see whether or not I agree. If not, then he would not be a dictator by either definition, but as I said I need to look into the voting fraud aspect more.
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Chavez by Christopher Robin was Murdered (4.00 / 1) #59 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 03:57:57 PM EST
Short version:

This is long - so here's the short version. Under a the guise of a referendum on the Constitution, Chavez destroyed his countries legally elected legislature and, in a election declared illegal by observers, packed a new legislature with his cronies. At the same time, he suspended almost 200 judges. Since then he has ignored the legal decisions of the fully empowered and legally constituted judiciary of his own nation. And, during at least one phase of his career, he's acted literally as the one-man government of Venezuela.

What do you call a president that can reform the legislature at will and is free to ignore the decisions of the judiciary? I call him a dictator.

The Long Details:

After his failed attempt to overthrow the government in a military coup in 1992, he won the '98 election as the candidate of the Fifth Republic Movement.

In 1999, when the legally elected legislative body (the National Assembly) of Venezuela was hampering his efforts at reform, he held two special referendums. The first was a call to reform the Constitution. The second was to elect a national Constitutional Assembly to create the new Constitution. In essence, he didn't like the National Assembly, so he wanted to create a new, extra-legislative body to create a new Constitution that would do away entirely with the old legislature. We should point out here that the legislature he was trying to toss out was not some military junta – they were the elected representatives of the Venezuelan people. Chavez won both votes, but many have charged election fraud.

Fraud or no, one of the first acts of the new Constitution Assembly was to form a "judicial emergency committee." This newly created committee, a body not contained in the proposal of the Congressional Assembly voted upon in the special referendum, removed nearly 200 judges from office. This was done without consulting the still legally empowered National Assembly or the judicial branch of the Venezuelan government. About the same time, the Congressional Assembly declared a "legislative emergency" and declared it was replacing the National Assembly as the legislative body of the Venezuelan government. The National Assembly was suddenly prohibited from meeting. When the new Constitution was rolled out later that same year, the National Assembly was turned from a bicameral legislature into a unicameral one and was stripped of most of its official power.

In 2000, Chavez was up for re-election. The same group that monitored the '98 (and declare them clean) said that the 2000 vote was illegal according to Venezuela's new Constitution and that voting procedures made it impossible to determine the validity of the results.

After his re-election, the new National Assembly, many Chavez supporters swept into office in the dubious elections of 2000, passed the "Enabling Act." This allowed President Chavez to create laws without having to appeal to the National Assembly or the judiciary. During the time limits set on these vast powers in the Enabling Act, Chavez was literally a one-man government. He passed almost 50 new law in that short period.

In 2002, a series of labor unions joined together in a series of strikes that grew into an organized coup attempt. The coup failed. After returning to power, Chavez strengthened his grip on the army by instituting several "the army eats first" policies. He also seized complete control of the state oil company (before it had been run by a committee of state, business, and labor union leaders). To punish the unions, he fired 18,000 oil industry workers and established national blacklists for striking workers. Venezuela's courts have declared these firings and blacklists illegal, but Chavez simply ignored the court ruling.

In 2003, there was a recall attempt aimed at Chavez. Opposition leaders claimed government officials were firing anybody who worked for the government, but supported the recall. This was never conclusively proved, but even if it was, what would they have done? Gone to court? The courts couldn't get the fired and blacklisted oil workers any justice. The recall failed.

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Big Box stores in The City? by ammoniacal (2.00 / 0) #71 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 06:18:03 PM EST
Where?

Also, we'll be in Manhattan, tentatively, over Christmas week-end. Drinks?

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Boxes and Travel by Christopher Robin was Murdered (2.00 / 0) #72 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 08:39:23 PM EST
We've got a big ol' Target out in Brooklyn, about 10 minutes walk from me. I think there's another in Manhattan in Astor Place.

I think there's a K-Mart as part of the Manhattan Mall near Penn Station, but I might be mistaken about that.

As for the holiday weekend, May and I will be out in Denver that weekend. We come back before the New Years. Will you still be in NYC then?

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Those are just Department Stores by ammoniacal (2.00 / 0) #74 Wed Dec 07, 2005 at 09:49:48 PM EST
Costco and Sam's Club are Box Stores.

I'll be gone again by Christmas Day. Perhaps another visit then?

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