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By MohammedNiyalSayeed (Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 06:42:54 AM EST) (all tags)
And you've got permission to see other men while you sleep
And we wage perpetual war for perpetual peace
One says hey what gives with you
The other says hey what gives with you
It's this pace that gets to you all right


Doctoring the Totino's

I am a master in the Dark Art of Totino's Doctoring. It is a skill which I became inducted during college, when my friend Dan and I would, upon successfully getting drunk, stop by Village Pantry and buy a Totino's Pizza.

Actually, let's take a moment to discuss Village Pantry; first, here is the logo they've used for years:

Note the apple, in the top of the pyramid. This is, I assure you, no small coincidence. A quick chat with anyone steeped in Marsh Corporate Culture will assure you the symbology is intentional. Village Pantry is a convenience store, which charges convenience fees, on all sorts of crap people who are too lazy to go to the grocery store might need at any given hour of the day. Frozen pizzas. Coke. Donuts. Aspirin. Batteries. Whatever. Many Village Pantries (or, for those in the know, "VPs") also serve as the Community Phone. Those who are home-challenged, or phonebill-paying-challenged will make and accept calls outside the VP, kindly offering the customers an opportunity to exercise their charity muscles. Sometimes, the National Guard will stand on the back of trucks at the VP and throw out food rations. That last sentence is entirely true, except the part about the National Guard, and if you define "trucks" as "dumpsters", and "food rations" as "stale Hostess bearclaws". Homeless people love stale bearclaws, on the real. But I digress.

So the basic premise of Totino's Doctoring is the simple addition of ingredients to a base, or more complex, Totino's pizza before baking it. New initiates might choose to add some sliced ham, or maybe mozzerella cheese (in addition to the mozzerella cheese already on the pizza). Those of the insane or no-taste-having variety might add some pineapple slices. Sliced pepperoni is added by many a Totino's Doctor, as are freshly chopped onions, but all of these items are introductory. Only time and experience allows one to be more astute in the selection of additional ingredients. For example, after a number of trial runs, Dan and I determined that possibly the best ingredient one can add to a Totino's Pizza is duck lard. Little puddles of duck lark enhance the natural deliciousness of the Totino's, and provide a nice contrast to the crispy crust.

Well, yesterday afternoon, I introduced la mia Barista to the wonders of Totino's Doctoring. Using a "three-meat" pizza (let us generously assume that all three "meats" are, in fact, meats, and that they at one time wandered the Earth under their own propulsion systems), I added the following items:

  • Fresh, sliced garlic, 8 cloves worth.
  • 1/4 cup of organic mozzerella cheese (possibly less; I just used what was leftover from lasagna-making)
  • multiple dollups of ricotta cheese
  • chopped tomato chunks

And this is key:

  • 1 Nathan's hotdog, sliced thinly.

The end result was fantabulous, and utterly delicious. As a side benefit, the garlic aroma made the whole downstairs area smell pretty friggin' awesome. I had two slices, and la mia Barista had two slices, and she is now a Doctored Totino's convert. Mission accomplished!

And it's so so long
When you're so, so wrong.

Poops SITREP

Wet and copious, it required a post-poops shower. Just to be sure.

40 Year Old Virgin

It came out on Tuesday. I will buy it this afternoon, post-market close. I suggest you do the same.

Porn Tax

WTF? Let me get this right; PEOPLE PAY FOR PORN? Porn wants to be free. Go ahead and put a 25% tax on it. .25x==0 when x == 0.

We interweave so much that we've lost a bit of solid ground
All for a kiss the things that we miss are leveling out
And I waste my time, question it, drag my heels a bit.
Forever pressures me, now I want to be
Wrapped in rhythm soul space and rock and roll
Nothing appeals to me like bottoming out
And I erase time sleep a bit smoke the rest of it
Because time don't mean a thing without...

Oil and Personal Responsibility

I don't drive. While I won't pretend this decision is purely eco-hippiesque in nature, I do feel good about the fact that I consume less oil than most Americans. Mainly, I just hate driving. Actually, I take that back; I like driving, it's other drivers I hate. My life is much less stressful if I don't drive than if I do.

I do, however, feel it is important that people take responsibility for their oil overuse. It doesn't seem to me that many people do this. Instead, everyone rationalizes the use of oil because they're too lazy to walk, bike, or take the Electro-Trolley. It's certainly more convenient to pick up groceries in your car whenever you feel like it, but this behavior is irresponsible, at best. Worse yet, so many people who have resigned themselves to the slavery to Big Oil that is car ownership insist on buying hugely inefficient gas-guzzling gigantor vehicles. The ownership of these vehicles knows no standard, predictable political boundaries. You are just as likely to see a "John Kerry" sticker on the back of an SUV than you are to see a "W" sticker. "Habitat for Humanity" stickers are slapped on plenty of Range Rovers here in Raleigh, just as those Christian fish thingies are ubiquitously placed on Ford Expeditions. Those who fancy themselves "progressives" and those who think of themselves as "conservatives" are equally likely to selfishly deplete the limited natural resource of dead, compressed dinosaur flesh. I suspect the reasoning behind this is sloth.

Regardless, I feel it would be good if everyone stopped engaging in this behavior. Much talk is generated on the subject of just how to get everyone to stop being so wasteful, running the gamut from the idea of taxing gasoline more than it is already taxed, or providing financial incentives to people who buy fuel-efficient vehicles, but what is often overlooked is the idea that everyone just do the right goddamned thing and stop leaving it up to everyone else to do. I am generally against governmental efforts to cause this change, but, obviously, people just don't give a shit about doing the right goddamned thing, so I'm not sure what else there is to do other than making their decisions hurt their personal finances. Oh, the humanity.

Also, WEIRD! Attention theboz infidel: I was not specifically targetting you with this subject. I just now read your diary about your new SUV, so the above is simply coinkidink. You evil environment ruiner!

Battlefield 2: Clans

I made a clan. It is called "poojabbers". I am the only member of my clan. I rule.

I was washing my hands and face
i was starting a drinking day

Mindless Link Propagation

ATTENTION WEATHER-"FORECASTING" INDIVIDUALS:

You promised me snow. Nature only delivered cold rain. One or the other of you is a LIAR. That one is not nature.

One Other Motherfucking Thing

When I was in Seattlé, theantix, persimmon, and I met ammoniacal down near Tacoma, where we went to a couple of military surplus stores. The first store we went to (which had the most stuff) had these kickass non-functioning training rifle models. I'm not sure what the official term for those things are, but, basically, they look like realistic versions of current-use military weaponry, but they don't fire anything. I wanted to buy either a model MP5(SD) or a M4A1 model, but figured that 1) it'd be a potential pain to get back home due to increased security scrutiny, and 2) it'd be a potential pain to get back home due to my already overloaded baggage situation. Thusly, I passed on buying one. Now, though, I want one. So, here's the question: Hey ammoniacal, what, exactly, are those things called? I assume I can probably get one at a local surplus place, since there are so many military bases in the area, or possibly online, but online searching has turned up no legit results, which is likely because I'm searching for the wrong terms. Mmmmm, fake MP5 or fake M4A1!

No, officer, this is *not* a firearm, and thusly I am allowed to take it, strapped on my back, on the Greenway Trail System! PERHAPS YOU WOULD LIKE TO CHALLENGE MY ASSERTATION THAT IT IS NOT REAL? THE TRUTH IS ON YOUR SIDE, BUT I SUSPECT YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO COME FI' TEST MI, SOUNDBOI!
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I have a vision! by georgeha (4.00 / 4) #1 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 06:52:12 AM EST
Latest cnn headline:

Bearded paramilitary member shot by overzealous DHS official while carrying realistic looking gun.

Apparently he was listening to Granddaddy on his iPod and did not hear the command to halt and lie down. A tragedy, but if he were a real tairst, a bigger tragedy would have been averted.




+4, Shooting weapons at MNS. by debacle (4.00 / 1) #5 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 07:00:58 AM EST


IF YOU HAVE TWO FIRLES THOROWNF MONEY ART SUOCIDE GIRLS STRIPPER HPW CAN YPUS :OSE?!?!?!?(elcevisides).

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WEAPONS OF LOVE! by MohammedNiyalSayeed (4.00 / 1) #10 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 07:05:41 AM EST

Since I'm in the private sector, I can afford quality body armor.


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You can build the most elegant fountain in the world, but eventually a winged rat will be using it as a drinking bowl.
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The nametape on the right breast of my ACU by MohammedNiyalSayeed (4.00 / 1) #8 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 07:03:14 AM EST

should prevent that from happening. After all, my former employer trumps their employer, and they better recognize!


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You can build the most elegant fountain in the world, but eventually a winged rat will be using it as a drinking bowl.
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Why a hot dog? by LilDebbie (4.00 / 1) #2 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 06:55:39 AM EST
And after the addition of allt these ingredients, doesn't it become cheaper just to order a pizza from a good pizza place?

Astro Pulp. Updated Mondays. Usually.


Cheaper != Better by MohammedNiyalSayeed (4.00 / 1) #6 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 07:02:04 AM EST

Money is no object when constructing a giant rationalization for greater hotdog utility!


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You can build the most elegant fountain in the world, but eventually a winged rat will be using it as a drinking bowl.
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Um, no. by Awakened Dreamer (4.00 / 3) #13 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 07:10:26 AM EST

Good pizza from good pizza place = $16.00

Tweaked Totino's =

Around here the price of the base pizza = $2.00 So.

$2.00 - Pizza
$0 - left over cheese that would be tossed if not used here.
$0 - lunch meat that will go out-of-date tomorrow if I don't use it here.
$.50 - Helping of parmesian cheese that was purchased specifically for this.
$1.00 - Helping of pepperoni bought for this.
$1.00 - Spices and herbs bought for this. (though realistically, I doubt I use a buck worth on one pizza. Likewise with the cheese and pepperoni.)

So, at most I'm paying around $4.50 maybe $5.00 for a pizza that's a tweaked Totino's. Plus, you get that wonderful warm feeling of knowing you did some of it yourself. Which makes it taste better.

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Craftsmanship: by MohammedNiyalSayeed (2.00 / 0) #18 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 07:16:01 AM EST

Underrated. And although the base pizza here is about 3 bucks, it still comes in well under the good pizza place price, not even factoring in tippage.


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You can build the most elegant fountain in the world, but eventually a winged rat will be using it as a drinking bowl.
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I would have never thought about garlic cloves. by Awakened Dreamer (4.00 / 2) #34 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 07:52:50 AM EST

Nor hot dogs. I've got to try that sometime.

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Is this a Mastercard commercial? (N/T) by theboz (4.00 / 2) #19 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 07:17:10 AM EST

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$16.00? by LilDebbie (4.00 / 1) #51 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 08:45:14 AM EST
I think you are failing to take into account the size and comparative mass of a doctored totinos. I'd say $12.00 at most for a comparably sized good pizza. I would also note that not all of us have 8 cloves of garlic and a quarter cup of mozzarella on hand.

Astro Pulp. Updated Mondays. Usually.
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UTTER INSANITY! by MohammedNiyalSayeed (4.00 / 1) #54 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 08:49:54 AM EST

I am sometimes mozzerella-cheese-free, but I am never without garlic cloves galore. It is a staple of my diet, much like Coleman's mustard, or something else that would be like Coleman's mustard or fresh garlic. And it stays fresh for a really long time!


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You can build the most elegant fountain in the world, but eventually a winged rat will be using it as a drinking bowl.
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Can't keep garlic cloves by LilDebbie (4.00 / 1) #56 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 08:53:37 AM EST
I'd be too likely to eat them raw, and then I would reek of garlic perpetually.

Astro Pulp. Updated Mondays. Usually.
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That temptation is strong by MohammedNiyalSayeed (2.00 / 0) #58 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 08:57:14 AM EST

And it keeps the vampires away!


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You can build the most elegant fountain in the world, but eventually a winged rat will be using it as a drinking bowl.
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And. . . by Awakened Dreamer (4.00 / 1) #66 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 09:17:05 AM EST

Puppies like the smell of garlic. Bonus. You'll get puppy licks as they try to "clean" the smell off your face.

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But I hate puppies $ by LilDebbie (2.00 / 0) #72 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 09:56:24 AM EST

Astro Pulp. Updated Mondays. Usually.
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YOU HATE PUPPIES?! by Awakened Dreamer (4.00 / 3) #75 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 10:20:42 AM EST

Wow. I uh. Huh. *UNCOMFORTABLE SILENCE*

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good god by tps12 (4.00 / 1) #3 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 06:59:27 AM EST
8 cloves of garlic and hot dogs. I may be ill. Mr Totino is rolling in his grave.



That does it! by MohammedNiyalSayeed (2.00 / 0) #9 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 07:03:50 AM EST

You are officially un-invited to lunch!


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You can build the most elegant fountain in the world, but eventually a winged rat will be using it as a drinking bowl.
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Adding garlic is OK. Avoiding pineapple is wise. by DesiredUsername (4.00 / 2) #22 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 07:19:53 AM EST
But hot dogs? No. And of course starting from Totino is building your house upon the sand. Start with Freschetta.

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Anti-hotdog comment [st] by MohammedNiyalSayeed (4.00 / 1) #24 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 07:22:37 AM EST

(Some Text): I'm not against Freschetta-modding, but there is something ghetto-fabulous about starting with Totino's. Then there's the crispiness-of-crust issue, as well.


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You can build the most elegant fountain in the world, but eventually a winged rat will be using it as a drinking bowl.
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wow by tps12 (2.00 / 0) #25 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 07:23:15 AM EST
There are so many different ways to be wrong about pizzae...

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Are You Suggesting Mr. Totino . . . by Christopher Robin was Murdered (4.00 / 1) #26 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 07:31:13 AM EST
Is a vampire?

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What's wrong with that? by LilDebbie (2.00 / 0) #47 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 08:41:10 AM EST
Garlic is teh best.

Astro Pulp. Updated Mondays. Usually.
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Food modding is the future by nebbish (4.00 / 1) #4 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 07:00:22 AM EST
Herring and I never did get round to making that 4X4 Battenburg cake.

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Indeed, it is by MohammedNiyalSayeed (4.00 / 1) #16 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 07:12:47 AM EST

As, after all, it is actually possible to polish a turd, provided you use the right polish!

Also, +1, mentions cake. Delicious, almondy cake...


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You can build the most elegant fountain in the world, but eventually a winged rat will be using it as a drinking bowl.
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Turd Polishing How To: by Improbus (4.00 / 3) #64 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 09:11:01 AM EST
  1. Let the turd dry.
  2. Dip the turd in lacquer and let dry.
  3. Polish the turd until it shines.




If you immediately know the candlelight is fire, the meal was cooked a long time ago. --- Oma Desala
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The drying time is what burns many a turd polisher by MohammedNiyalSayeed (2.00 / 0) #69 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 09:43:39 AM EST

People can be so impatient, then they end up with sticky brown fingers, and nobody likes that! Well, nobody except scat freaks, and nobody likes them. Except them.


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You can build the most elegant fountain in the world, but eventually a winged rat will be using it as a drinking bowl.
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Not true. by Awakened Dreamer (4.00 / 1) #76 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 10:21:30 AM EST

Scat freaks don't even like themselves. There's few hobbies in the world founded on such a base of self-loathing.

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why so judgemental by dmg (4.00 / 1) #81 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 12:49:15 PM EST
There's nothing wrong with... Oh wait. Yes there is!
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The SUV solution. by Awakened Dreamer (4.00 / 1) #7 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 07:02:45 AM EST

The SUB. I plan on getting one when I can afford it.

Part of me wretches at the name, because, well, you know. But part of me drinks in the delicious irony of it. I hate being torn.

I enjoy getting away from vehicles during the summer. Now, for some errands I do need a vehicle because of my current environment. But the guilt I feel is minor as I'm driving a four banger pickup. For any task I can, I take the bike. And next summer I plan on doing that a lot more often than this past summer, where the bike was more a luxury ride than a utility ride.

Everyone I know save one drives a big-ol gas-guzzling monster SUV. And they constantly give me shit about driving my little truck and/or biking. And you know what? It don't bother me a bit. So, I do the right thing when I can. And I've given up lecturing others to try and get them to do the right thing. Fuck 'em. They want to drive the gas guzzlers, let 'em. But they'd best not be the guys trying to say the environment's going to hell around me. I'll verbally lay the smack down if they do.

Frankly, I think it'd be cool if there were a mandatory week during the year where it's illegal to drive. Even if it were just a city-by-city thing. Oh sure, it's a pipe-dream, but it's a cool pipe-dream. It'd teach folks that there are alternatives, as they'd be forced to find them. Course, nowadays most people would just cancel their lives for that week because most people simply refuse to believe it's possible to go anywhere without jumping into the Hummer and burning a few gallons of fuel.

Ah hell. I could babble about this shit for hours. And sometimes do on the bike boards.



I thought you were married to a redhead by georgeha (4.00 / 1) #11 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 07:06:44 AM EST
isn't it greedy to want two?


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Uh. . . by Awakened Dreamer (4.00 / 1) #15 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 07:12:25 AM EST

what? Apparently I still have enough beer in my system that I'm not capable of deciphering simple messages.

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You linked to a picture of a long haired by georgeha (4.00 / 1) #20 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 07:18:29 AM EST
redhead atop some funny looking bike.


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Really? by Awakened Dreamer (4.00 / 3) #35 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 07:54:56 AM EST

There's a chick in that picture? Damn. I'm getting old.

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Interesting bike... by MohammedNiyalSayeed (4.00 / 1) #14 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 07:11:39 AM EST

Back when I lived in Sonofabitchigan, I used to get flack for driving a front-wheel drive Japanesemobile, not only because it wasn't made in America (technically, it was; Canada is part of North America, after all), but also because it didn't have the carrying capacity of a dinosaur-slaughtering SUV. They never seem to have comebacks for the argument that 1) they couldn't show me an American car that got better gas mileage that could be expected to last past 100k miles, and 2) who the fuck really needs to carry a lumberyard worth of load on anything resembling a routine basis, anyway?

These days, I just hear locallites talking about how they'd "like to walk to work", but it's too far away, or they get up too late. The people saying this live closer to work than I do, yet, somehow I manage to get there on a regular basis, and get back home, frequently making detours that add 2-6 miles to my foot/bike commute. I suspect this is not so much because I am an OLYMPIAN than it is because they're lazy, and creatures of habit.


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You can build the most elegant fountain in the world, but eventually a winged rat will be using it as a drinking bowl.
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There's what I don't get. by Awakened Dreamer (4.00 / 2) #33 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 07:52:25 AM EST

Dad says he NEEDS his big-ass Jeep because, twice a year, he needs to haul this trailer with his car on it (if he has a breakdown). Now, I don't know about you, but I'm thinking it'd be more cost effective to just rent on the rare occasion that happens.

I wish I didn't live in bumfuckistan. Because, honestly, I sweat like a fucking wart-hog when I bike, and fifteen miles is a bit much to walk, especially on this narrow country road. If I have to come in to work after-hours, I bike. But during the day I can't sit here in my own stink. Just can't do it. If we had showers or a health-club near by that would let me use theirs, I'd be all over that shit. Except in winter. Cause fuck that noise. That's what my four banger is for.

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When I was in Cullifornia by MohammedNiyalSayeed (2.00 / 0) #46 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 08:40:30 AM EST

I'd bike 6 miles downtown to get on Caltrain, then ride that for an hour, before biking another 5 miles to the office. Though we had an office shower, I rarely used it (and Cullifornia heat does exist in the Valley, though not so much in the upper reaches of San Francisco, proper. It also helped that my route to work was all downhill, so I usually didn't work up much of a sweat until I was headed home, after which a nice shower was an excellent pick-me-up and a much-needed stank-removal technique before it was social-time.

I'm with you on the confusion about the "need" for gigantor vehicles under individual ownership, year-round. I don't doubt that there are people that do use them like that, but there is no fucking way that's the vast majority of people. I mean, there's a dude in my complex who has a lawn care business, and he has a huge-ass truck that he uses every day for work, hauling equipment to and from client sites, and that dude also carries 3 other people to and from the sites, along with the mowering equipment and such, but then lmB and I will go out to eat in her Jetta, and I'll see like a thousand huge-ass SUVs with a single passenger, cruising along at 80 mph on their way to whatever, and I don't see any of those bastards carrying any cargo they couldn't have put in a compact car, or, for the kid-havers, a station wagon.


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You can build the most elegant fountain in the world, but eventually a winged rat will be using it as a drinking bowl.
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I need it for my kids? by Awakened Dreamer (4.00 / 1) #60 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 08:58:17 AM EST

I hate that comment. HATE HATE HATE IT! And that's the common excuse around here. You know what, no one had a giant-ass SUV thirty years ago, and families survived just fine.

The next married but childless or single-child couple I see that says they need the biggest fucking vehicle made for "their kids" are getting a size thirteen work boot up their hooter. Cause that's just fucking ridiculous.

And yeah, single individuals in an SUV? My dad and his wife BOTH drive a giant ass SUV separately to work every day. Why? WHY? WHY? WHY?

And then the fucker has the audacity to bitch to me about gas prices. I mean, dad and I have our problems anyway, but that one just about throws me over the line. And get this, he lives approximately THREE FUCKING BLOCKS from work. OK, it's more like a mile and a half or so, but still. He has a bike. And he doesn't really need anything fancy at his office beyond a wallet and cell phone. So fucking bike. If I had his house, I'd never drive to work. Even in the winter.

Ah. I think I'm on the verge of having an aneurism over this.

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The turning radius by joh3n (4.00 / 1) #32 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 07:49:57 AM EST
of that bike must be worse than my old Saturn, and that easily rivaled a battleship.

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Bike turning radius. by Awakened Dreamer (4.00 / 1) #36 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 07:55:46 AM EST

Does that really matter? Bound to be better than the SUV from hell. And if it's real bad, on a bike, you can just jump off and move the front end by hand.

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Your post should be about me by theboz (4.00 / 2) #12 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 07:10:02 AM EST
Don't forget that not only do I now drive a SUV, but I also work for an oil company, of which part of it used to be part of Enron (I've even been to Enron's "new" offices as a result), so I'm pretty sure I am going to hell. Either that, or I'll have to spend years working as a hippie peasent at a commune selling hammocks weaved of hemp.

Seriously though, I can rationalize the purchase of my SUV, but I agree with the underlying idea that oil isn't all that good of an idea. It's not related to middle east politics necessarily though, because the U.S. could be free of middle eastern oil by next week if we wanted to, but because of the way the business works, gas prices would go up. Basically, we buy cheap oil from OPEC, and sell most of ours as well as what we import from Latin America to Asia at a ridiculously high price. This is actually why I am opposed to drilling ANWAR, because I am at least 90% sure that it would not be used to provide oil to the U.S., but would instead be sold to nations like China and Japan. If there was a clause that forced the oil to be used only in the U.S. then it would be beneficial to our nation.
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My reasoning is more scarcity-based by MohammedNiyalSayeed (4.00 / 1) #21 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 07:18:40 AM EST

It just makes sense that, when you know the entire world has a limited quantity of something, maybe using it up like it was, say, seawater, isn't the best of ideas. Then factor in the profit structure in place on top of the industry. Presto, I'm more likely to move someplace where I can continue to walk and/or use electric trains than I am to shell out 30k on a machine that loses 1/3rd of it's value when I drive it off the lot.

A side benefit of that, of course, is that I have even more disposable income to blow on Nintendogs and strippers.


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You can build the most elegant fountain in the world, but eventually a winged rat will be using it as a drinking bowl.
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That's understandable by theboz (4.00 / 2) #27 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 07:31:52 AM EST
It is a limited resource that we don't understand well enough. Personally, I'd like to see a combination of nuclear, wind, solar, geothermal, etc. power our entire grid, and be able to power electric cars based on that rather than gasoline. However, our battery technology sucks, so there's not much hope for the car there. Still, if we could power our homes from those other forms of generating electricity that would go a long way.

Ironically one thing you do use oil for that most people don't think about is plastics. Plastic is made from petroleum, but you normally don't hear people complaining about that for some reason anymore. Recycling was big in the 90's but it seems to have died out for some reason. If you think about every bottle of water or soda made, every plastic container, down to every video game cartridge made with plastic, we use a hell of a lot of oil and don't seem to realize it. So after we replace cars with electric cars and our energy infrastructure, what the hell do we replace plastic with? Can we make it out of corn or some other renewable resource (the answer is yes, but it's not as easy), or do we go back to using reusable things instead of generating so much trash? When I was a teenager that used to work at a grocery store I used to scoff at the hippies that brought their own bags in to carry their groceries, but now I understand why they did it. We would need to go back to having milkmen that leave milk at the door in glass bottles, and pick up the empty ones. We'd need to recycle a whole lot more than we do now.
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Dont forget jets by joh3n (4.00 / 2) #31 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 07:48:56 AM EST
I had a long (by many accounts, too long) conversation with a bunch of folks here about future energy solutions.  Near-term, we could argue easily for up-scaling nuclear and wind power, and possibly getting electric cars going more than 120 miles or so on a charge.  Longer term, we could imagine the possibility of fusion or fission-fusion hybrid reactors actually putting out reasonable wattage.  What we couldnt do, however, was get an airplane to fly.  The impact of that statement on world economies and whatnot is very frightening. 

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If you had enough nuclear energy by georgeha (4.00 / 3) #37 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 07:55:53 AM EST
you could use reduce oil rich tar sands and slate to oil for making jet fuel, set up coal to jet fuel plants, or even add enough carbon to hydrogen to make et fuel.

Methane is the simplest hydrocarbon to make, and there are rumors that the USAF flies a Mach 5 methane powered surveillance craft.

So, petroleum bsaed fueld could be reserved for aircraft and other vehicles where electricity isn't practical.


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It just doesnt scale though by joh3n (4.00 / 1) #38 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 07:59:10 AM EST
The same arguments we use for cars apply to jets, namely that as countries like China get larger, so too will their use of Airplanes for freight and travel.  As for carbon+hydrogen for jet fuel, all one has to do is whisper Hindenberg, and you have a public relations problem the size of Mars.  But yes, the only solution I see is to immediately begin scaling down petroleum use in land and sea based vehicles so that we can have a sizeable reserve for aircraft.

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Yeah. by mrgoat (4.00 / 2) #96 Fri Dec 16, 2005 at 01:20:52 PM EST
Because when an airplane blows up mid-air it matters that it was hydrogen fueled instead of traditional jet-fuel.

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Nuclear has been proposed by ambrosen (4.00 / 1) #90 Fri Dec 16, 2005 at 04:14:23 AM EST
to help extract the Canadian tar sands.

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Good point by theboz (4.00 / 3) #42 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 08:28:47 AM EST
We may not be able to completely eliminate the need for oil any time soon, but it wouldn't hurt if we could take care of everything else and leave jets. We could also reduce the need for air travel with good bullet trains running nationwide.
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not a bad idea by garlic (4.00 / 2) #28 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 07:35:03 AM EST
I think this would help with food subsidies too. It's not really fair to have the US government subsizdize your farm so that we have US grown food, and then you sell that subsized food overseas. I'm all for no exports of subsized goods.


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Totino's Doctoring by theboz (4.00 / 1) #17 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 07:13:52 AM EST
I didn't know that was an official thing, but I've done that sort of thing too. The typical thing was to buy a cheese pizza and load it up with pepperoni, sausage (the breakfast kind, links, chopped into what looked like small grey pepperoni) green peppers, and more cheese. Delicious.
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Definitely give duck lard a try by MohammedNiyalSayeed (4.00 / 1) #23 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 07:20:08 AM EST

I'm not sure if it's an official thing, so much as I'm trying to make it be that, but I know plenty of people who came up with the idea independently, so it seems, at least, to be a natural behavior.


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Do you mean by barooo (4.00 / 1) #92 Fri Dec 16, 2005 at 07:20:03 AM EST

Duck fat as a topping?  Or as a cooking fat that I don't see the need for in your method?

Oh yeah, +1 duck fat.



man, i need a beefy taco now.
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As a topping by MohammedNiyalSayeed (2.00 / 0) #93 Fri Dec 16, 2005 at 08:20:37 AM EST

Added in little chunks, all over the top of the pizza.


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Pizza doctoring is a necessity in the US by lm (4.00 / 1) #29 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 07:37:12 AM EST
No frozen pizza vendor I've come across offers a frozen pie with anchovies.

There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
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I've seen no such thing, either. by MohammedNiyalSayeed (4.00 / 2) #41 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 08:27:39 AM EST

Good thing pizzas are open sauce, eh?


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Yep, artichoke hearts are hard to find too by lm (4.00 / 1) #61 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 09:02:25 AM EST
But not impossible, like anchovies.

There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
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I imagine they don't freeze well. by ambrosen (4.00 / 1) #89 Fri Dec 16, 2005 at 04:13:04 AM EST
Although the Pizza Express range may just do it here in UKia.

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Moral rationalization by 606 (4.00 / 2) #30 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 07:43:08 AM EST
Back when I was in school I would always say "I'm not going to work in oil" which thinking back was the dumbest possible thing to say in Calgary because oil is all that there is here. But we're all pretty naive in school, right?

So of course a week after I graduated I got a job in an oil company. Technically it's once-removed because it's a company that makes hardware/software for oil rigs instead of owning rigs themselves, but it's still an oil company. For a while I felt really guilty about it, but then I realized why I shouldn't be, and I'm pretty sure it's just not rationalization...

See, even though I work for an oil company I don't own a car. I walk everywhere and take transit. And even though it's an oil company, I don't think anyone here owns an SUV. The company has a lot of young people, and we're all pretty enviro-oriented despite what our company does. So basically yes I'm helping to exploit natural resources that I'd prefer not to see used as much as they are, but I'm doing everything I personally can not to waste those resources. I've made my peace with it.

Oh yeah, and my company isn't exploiting any third-world nations, which is also good.

I may give in and get one of these however. It drove across Canada on 268$CDN worth of gas!

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Smart Cars: Pretty Friggin' Awesome! by MohammedNiyalSayeed (4.00 / 1) #43 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 08:33:32 AM EST

I wish they sold them in the States, but so far, no dice.

Also, I don't see anything inherently immoral about working for an oil company. The reality of the situation is that we all depend on oil to some extent, and someone has to provide it. I just wish people would use less of it, and that oil companies would be planning on the day when the oil runs out with new energy strategies, rather than just milking the well before it runs dry. It's in their best interest to do so, after all. But the bottom line is, what I want is for individuals to be more responsible, rather than assuming that the oil companies will be responsible for them, or that it's the Gubmint's job to make them more responsible.


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The car I want: by lb008d (4.00 / 1) #55 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 08:50:52 AM EST
Damn! by MohammedNiyalSayeed (4.00 / 1) #59 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 08:58:03 AM EST

Sleek, and futuramistic!


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Speaking of the "ooooh" factor.... by lb008d (4.00 / 1) #62 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 09:06:49 AM EST
What would Mr. Ha think of this?

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I don't know if he would or not by MohammedNiyalSayeed (4.00 / 1) #63 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 09:09:13 AM EST

But I've wanted one for quite some time. +1, Battlestar Galactica 1980-lookin' motorbike!


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No thanks, I think it tops out at 50 mph by georgeha (4.00 / 1) #79 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 12:46:02 PM EST
or was it 60 kph. I need at least 70 mph, and I love the smell of burning dinos, in gas and oil form.


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yeah by 606 (4.00 / 2) #67 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 09:24:42 AM EST
"Be the change you want to see in others," or something. That's what I learned right when I left university; when I finally got some money and the ability to actually make choices about my life, instead of just bitching about Bushitlar.

Though I still bitch about Bushitlar, but let's not talk about that shit.

There's a lot of hype about the Smart Car, and I hate falling for hype, so I hadn't really looked into it before. I was told all sorts of stories like "top speed is 100 km/h so you can't take it on the highway" and "it can't handle snow" but it seems those are all lies. Top speed is 135 km/h, which is pretty decent, and there's an extensive list of magical computer-controlled stability enhancements for icy driving. It probably can't chug through foot-deep powder but that's pretty rare in this part of Canada, and most roads here are cleared and salted within a day of snowfall.

Calgary is not set up that great for transit, and cab rates just went up. I think it's time to really look into these smart cars.

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Smart Car and Snowmobile: The Perfect Combo? by MohammedNiyalSayeed (2.66 / 3) #70 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 09:47:25 AM EST

I would say that a good number of people with "snow-capable" vehicles can't drive in the snow; 9/10 times, the user is the problem, not the machine. Anyway, for those people who want a Smart Car, but need to occasionally trudge through foot-deep snow, why not get the Smart Car, and a SnoCat or something? Or just WORK FROM HOME SOMETIMES! Or maybe keep some extra bear meat in the freezer, and take the day off to prepare a Snow Day Bear Feast.

Man, I'm just full of good ideas today...


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lol snowcat by 606 (4.00 / 3) #73 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 10:17:42 AM EST
Yeah, I'd love to drive a Snow Cat to work some days:

rofl

GIT YER BITCH-ASS HUMMER OOT A MAH WAYYY!!

I should go pick up some bear meat.

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I have wanted one for years by MohammedNiyalSayeed (4.00 / 2) #74 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 10:19:03 AM EST

Polar bears can't even touch you when you're in one of those things!


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I don't eat mammalian carnivores. [nt] by debacle (4.00 / 1) #82 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 01:01:16 PM EST


IF YOU HAVE TWO FIRLES THOROWNF MONEY ART SUOCIDE GIRLS STRIPPER HPW CAN YPUS :OSE?!?!?!?(elcevisides).

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good by 606 (4.00 / 1) #83 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 01:59:30 PM EST
Bears are omnivores. Well some types anyway.

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And blowjobs aren't technically sex by debacle (4.00 / 1) #84 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 02:15:39 PM EST
Your point?

IF YOU HAVE TWO FIRLES THOROWNF MONEY ART SUOCIDE GIRLS STRIPPER HPW CAN YPUS :OSE?!?!?!?(elcevisides).

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Do you eat beef? by theboz (4.00 / 2) #91 Fri Dec 16, 2005 at 07:00:43 AM EST
Many companies add roadkill, recycled cattle, dead pets, etc. to their grain that they feed to cows. They're not supposed to anymore (as that is what leads to mad cow), but there's no enforcement of beef quality in the U.S. and much of the rest of the world, so you can't guarantee it doesn't happen anymore.
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I try not to by debacle (4.00 / 1) #99 Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 09:56:42 AM EST
But sometimes the weakness takes me.

IF YOU HAVE TWO FIRLES THOROWNF MONEY ART SUOCIDE GIRLS STRIPPER HPW CAN YPUS :OSE?!?!?!?(elcevisides).

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Smart car in the US by mrgoat (4.00 / 1) #97 Fri Dec 16, 2005 at 01:24:38 PM EST
Can you imagine what happens to the passengers in those when they get slammed into by an SUV?

No sir. Our cars must be bigger than the cars of our neighbors, that when we careen into them in a drunken haze, our monstrosity remains the victor.

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Two words: by MohammedNiyalSayeed (2.00 / 0) #100 Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 11:42:31 AM EST

GIANT INVERTO-COW-CATCHERS!


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mmmm by LilFlightTest (4.00 / 1) #39 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 08:09:25 AM EST
now i know i'm not the only one who considers hot dog to be a valid pizza topping.

your ricotta looks oddly crumbly there...what happened?
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It gets crispy on the outside by MohammedNiyalSayeed (2.00 / 0) #40 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 08:25:09 AM EST

but it's still soft and mushy on the inside. The appearance, though, may be due to me putting parmasan cheese on top of the whole finished product.

Also, HOTDOGS ON PIZZA RULE! THEY RULE!


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was gonna say by LilFlightTest (4.00 / 1) #50 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 08:44:28 AM EST
looked way more like parmesan to me. try shredded parmesan, not the stuff in a can. it tastes pretty much the same, but it adds a whole other dimension to the cheesy goodness.
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I had a big block of parmasan by MohammedNiyalSayeed (2.00 / 0) #52 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 08:46:03 AM EST

that I'd hand-grate, but the last lasagna episode depleted my supply. And hell yeah, friggin DELICIOUS it was!


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lol @ pizza by alprazolam (4.00 / 1) #44 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 08:35:49 AM EST
i thumb my nose at you pathetically weak mortals.



Laugh it up, fuzzball! by MohammedNiyalSayeed (4.00 / 1) #48 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 08:42:42 AM EST

</hansolo>


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Oil Rationalization by jimgon (4.00 / 1) #45 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 08:36:48 AM EST
It was 10 degrees F when I got up this morning.  My house is hard to heat.  So I'm burning everything I can find to hasten global warming.  Then I'll be able to save money on heating bills later.  Really I'm just trying to conserve and save money when you come down to it.




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That's why I think purchase-incentives by MohammedNiyalSayeed (2.00 / 0) #49 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 08:44:28 AM EST

should gently encourage people to buy stuff that doesn't use oil. Like, tax breaks for switching one's heat to natural gas, or tax breaks to energy companies if they build nuclear power plants, and such.

Personally, I like a cold house, but that's mainly just because I like to wear fleecii at home.


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natural gas by garlic (4.00 / 1) #68 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 09:25:25 AM EST
actually more profitable for oil companies than oil at this point because of our ports not being able to accept as much through hurricanes.


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Nuclear power by jimgon (4.00 / 1) #94 Fri Dec 16, 2005 at 10:14:05 AM EST
I agree.  The only think really useful about oil is the plastic, but there's new ways around that.  Nuclear really is a cheap and safe alternative.  Granted you have the waste, but if you bury it somewhere reasonably safe no one will have to deal with it for thousands of years and in all likelihood humanity will be long dead by then.




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This is what we should be building: by lb008d (4.00 / 1) #95 Fri Dec 16, 2005 at 12:47:37 PM EST
Re: Oil by lb008d (4.00 / 1) #53 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 08:46:47 AM EST
According to my commute calendar, I've used "alternate transportation" 101 times this year - mainly by taking the bus to work. However, I do try to ride my bike in during the summer once or twice a week, even though my commute is 17.8 miles one way.

What I've noticed this year is that the number of people taking public transportation has really gone up, obviously due to the gas prices. For me taking the bus is finally almost as cost-efficient as driving alone - the bus is one-hour each way, while driving is 25 minutes each way. When gas was $1.50 a gallon my time was worth more than the amount I spent on gas, car payments and car repairs. Now that gas is more the amounts are pretty close.

Plus the best part of taking the bus is having enforced reading time. If they had wireless internet on the bus I could probably even use my commute time as working time.



I love the reading time of bus/train, as well by MohammedNiyalSayeed (4.00 / 1) #57 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 08:56:39 AM EST

But I'm not sure I'd want wireless internet access on the bus/train. When I was using Caltrain all the time, being free from the duties of work and just chilling out, decompressing, was one of the major benefits of the commute. When I was driving, I could listen to music, or whatever, but I still had to concentrate on compensating for every idiot driver on I-280, which, I assure you, is a serious task. On the train, I could plug in the Rio 600, or, later, the iPod, and just chill and/or read, simultaneously, not worrying about asshats cutting me off, or refusing to signal, or slamming on the brakes when the MYSTERY WATER FROM THE SKY fell.

I'm told that, at least around here, Vespa sales are through the roof lately, but I think the buses are populated about the same. For me, there's not much use in the bus, as I can get where I'm going, by just walking, in less time than it would take to wait for the bus to arrive, but my commute is short. As a result, I'm relatively unfamiliar with local bus routes/schedules. They keep talking about building a train between Chapel Thrill and Raleigh, but I think that's like 8 years out, and, seriously, if I'm still living here in 8 years, someone needs to kill me.


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Light rail.... by lb008d (4.00 / 1) #65 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 09:15:21 AM EST
I don't know what to think of light rail in my town. The proposed route would almost exactly follow my current bike commute route. The time involved in the commute would be about the same as the bus - the bus used to be faster but they recently changed the route (grrrr!).

Right now the traffic isn't anywhere near horrible here - traffic jams almost never happen. I suppose this would be a good reason to install a system like this now as a preventative measure. Still, it is a lot of money...and the people running the project have a "it's free money from the government so we should spend it!" attitude. Hm. I think some sort of HOT plus light rail would be the best option - HOT lanes keep people who don't really need to be using the freeway during rush hour off of the freeway, and the tolls could be used to help pay for the rail lines.

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It's always best to build infrastructure by MohammedNiyalSayeed (4.00 / 1) #71 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 09:51:29 AM EST

before you actually need it, as it usually ends up costing less that way, and you don't have to haggle with the individuals and businesses who've built up their homes and businesses prior to the existence of a light rail system, but it is costly, so the real question is whether it'll ever really be necessary. It sounds like buses might suffice in Spokane, if combined with HOV lanes, but if light rail is needed, then I think HOT is a good way to pay for it. I always hate the notion of "free money from the government". I can't figure out how people can be so retarded as to not realize that's their money they're spending.


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note to self: by ammoniacal (4.00 / 3) #88 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 08:30:05 PM EST
Dec. 2013; kill mns

You can't handle my complete attention.
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mock-up/dummy/training aid by ammoniacal (4.00 / 1) #77 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 10:47:58 AM EST
Utter one of those words, and they'll take care of you.

I could make "arrangements", but I can't bankroll this project.

You can't handle my complete attention.


I'm sure I'll be able to aquire one locally by MohammedNiyalSayeed (4.00 / 1) #78 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 11:20:56 AM EST

Even if I have to make a trip down to Fayettenam. But I'm guessing that with Pope, Seymoure-Johnson, Lejeune, and Bragg all relatively nearby, I'll find one, one way or another.

And thanks for the term!


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The Oil "problem" is self-regulating. by dmg (4.00 / 1) #80 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 12:47:28 PM EST
It will run out, and then what will we do?

The Market will take care of it, and Adam Smith's invisible hand will ensure a nice steady supply of energy from other less environmentally damaging sources, such as nuclear and solar.
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Start growing corn by me0w (4.00 / 2) #85 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 02:33:26 PM EST
The local maker of automobiles is currently testing ethanol powered cars.


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I don't see the problem... by dev trash (4.00 / 1) #86 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 02:44:27 PM EST
You have threesomes all the time....

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Say what? by MohammedNiyalSayeed (2.00 / 0) #87 Thu Dec 15, 2005 at 03:28:19 PM EST

Oh, title and lyrics. They're from a song by Wheat I heard this morning on the radio, and have no bearing on the content of the diary or my life. Just a catchy song.

Here comes the science.


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environ-ment by theantix (4.00 / 1) #98 Fri Dec 16, 2005 at 08:22:16 PM EST
This has probably been mentioned by someone already, but there is a VERY good reason to use whatever kind of evil fuel burning car or SUV you want to (or can afford).  The fact of the matter is, your actions literally do not make any difference at all.  If you, mns, went from walking around to driving a hummer for the rest of your life, it would have effectively no impact on the actual CO2 levels out there. Your indivual action or lack thereof has no bearing on the problem.

This is why (a) conservatives have to claim that there is no problem, and (b) liberals suggest enforced behaviour modification techniques.  Trying to get people to be nice when their niceness doesn't actually make a difference is like trying to make water flow uphill.




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