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By atreides (Wed Nov 09, 2005 at 05:14:09 AM EST) (all tags)
By voting in Proposition 2, we have averted flood, cataclysm and, most importantly, Nazis on dinosaurs!!!


Follow my logic here for a minute. the text of the amendment reads:
Sec. 32. (a) Marriage in this state shall consist only of the union of one man and one woman.
(b) This state or a political subdivision of this state may not create or recognize any legal status identical or similar to marriage.

Would it not follow that the state cannot, by this newly added amendment to the Constitution, issue marriage licenses? A marriage license is by definition identical to marriage. And since the state requires fees to be paid to issue marriage licenses, aren't these fees now illegal since you're giving the state money for something that it cannot by create or recognize in any legal sense? Think of the revenue that could be lost!

Would you all agree that marriage is a partnership? I'm going to assume here that most people would agree to that. Well, the State of Texas has a literal form of partnership in the form of a business license or DBA. They're pretty cheap, in most cases under 20 dollars. What's to stop Bob and Doug from going to the Tax Assessors office, filing for a partnership and calling their new legal entity "Bob and Doug's Marriage?" Either the legal entity couldn't be touched because it's a business or the filing would be revoked because "[the] state may not create or recognize any legal status identical or similar to marriage". I'm going to guess that there are a lot of people in every echelon of the business world from small business owners to larger corporations who might not like the idea of the state yanking business licenses without better cause than a business name. How big a step is it to yank a partnership's license because the partners in it happen to be gay? Or to yank any partnership that has as it's partners anything other than a man and a woman? I know that this is an unlikely scenario, but it should illustrate my point.

I think this is a bad law, but many other people do not and I'm not here to argue that question at this time. The voters have spoken anyway and even though I don't particularly like it, there's no point in being petulant about it. What I am saying is that it's a badly written law and that it's got flaws in it that one can drive a truck though. In fact, if I could get my hands on a heterosexual couple and a homosexual couple willing to go though the crap I have just described and some pro bono lawyers to prosecute their eventual cases, I think these little ideas could bear some useful fruit.

I don't doubt that I'm not the only person to think of all this. I'm sure someone out there will try it. Besides, IANAL. And if you ANAL, you better hope that he or she is down with that or, if not, is at least ORAL.

That is all.

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Please delete this diary by theboz (4.00 / 2) #1 Wed Nov 09, 2005 at 05:17:53 AM EST
This should have been posted as a comment on this one which was posted earlier. I'm really going to have to complain to Markos and Armando this time, because simply posting recipes will not be a good response.

Oh wait, this isn't dailykos? Nevermind.
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GODDAMNIT! by MohammedNiyalSayeed (4.00 / 4) #2 Wed Nov 09, 2005 at 05:27:30 AM EST

I came in here expecting some HOT NAZI-ON-DINOSAUR ACTION, and got squat! SQUAT, I SAY!


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You can build the most elegant fountain in the world, but eventually a winged rat will be using it as a drinking bowl.


here you go. by garlic (3.71 / 7) #4 Wed Nov 09, 2005 at 06:11:15 AM EST

Suck it
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Do you work for Pixar? -nt by chuckles (4.00 / 3) #6 Wed Nov 09, 2005 at 06:16:07 AM EST
Isn't that from that Nazis of the Valley slashfic by Rogerborg (4.00 / 1) #8 Wed Nov 09, 2005 at 06:26:23 AM EST
that was getting pimped on here last month?

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Metus amatores matrum compescit, non clementia.
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+1, HAWT by MohammedNiyalSayeed (4.00 / 1) #11 Wed Nov 09, 2005 at 06:38:03 AM EST

If only we could vote a comment to the front page...


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You can build the most elegant fountain in the world, but eventually a winged rat will be using it as a drinking bowl.
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hey! by LilFlightTest (2.00 / 0) #17 Wed Nov 09, 2005 at 07:44:22 AM EST
nobody told me the dinosaur was a nazi too!
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he converted. by garlic (2.00 / 0) #20 Wed Nov 09, 2005 at 07:59:59 AM EST
or was painted by the nazi and is too dumb to notice.

Suck it
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maybe by LilFlightTest (2.00 / 0) #21 Wed Nov 09, 2005 at 08:00:58 AM EST
its one of those magnetty things you stick to the sides of trucks. if dinosaurs are magnetic.
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I don't think dinosaurs are magnetic. by ambrosen (2.00 / 0) #24 Wed Nov 09, 2005 at 01:38:17 PM EST
Is there a biologist around that we can ask?

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a prehistoric biologist? by LilFlightTest (2.00 / 0) #25 Wed Nov 09, 2005 at 03:55:28 PM EST

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IAWTP by StackyMcRacky (4.00 / 2) #5 Wed Nov 09, 2005 at 06:13:34 AM EST


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That is the most moronic theory ever by lm (4.00 / 2) #3 Wed Nov 09, 2005 at 06:01:43 AM EST
It would take a complete and utter ignoramous to come up with such a twisted interpretation of the plain sense of Texas' new constitutional amendment.

There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic


I saw that, but I had it first. by atreides (2.00 / 0) #7 Wed Nov 09, 2005 at 06:22:06 AM EST
I had the fees thing last night and the DBA thing this morning, so suck on it, High-In-The-Middle Boy!!!

What happens in Canada stays in Canada. -Millman


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A little antagonistic this morning, eh? by lm (2.00 / 0) #9 Wed Nov 09, 2005 at 06:32:15 AM EST
Who pissed in your coffee?


There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
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I don't drink coffee! by atreides (4.00 / 1) #13 Wed Nov 09, 2005 at 06:42:28 AM EST
I just have a splitting headache and it's this big:

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That's all. :(

What happens in Canada stays in Canada. -Millman


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That sucks by lm (2.00 / 0) #14 Wed Nov 09, 2005 at 06:49:42 AM EST
And dKos beat you to it anyway:

An anti-gay marriage amendment in Texas passed easily (even though it may hilariously invalidate every marriage).

I'm hoping that it does. I've long been a fan of the state getting out of the marriage business and leaving religious ceremonies to us religionists.


There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
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Well Well by Gedvondur (4.00 / 1) #10 Wed Nov 09, 2005 at 06:36:23 AM EST
The pride of the Alamo is dead.

I feel sorry for the few sane people that live in Texas.  Its grown from a rough and tumble part of America that we all more or less took some pride in to the redneck reactionary gun-toting, gay-hating, Republican-voting, socially backwards political swamp that it is today.

No more pride in the cowboys, no more pride in the independance, no more pride for the Texas spirit.  Texas has been reduced to red-neck land with no way to rebuild.

Sad.

Gedvondur
"It is virtually impossible to effectively aim a jellyfish, a creature created by God almost solely for the purpose of not flying." - Christopher Robin Was Murdered


Question by webwench (4.00 / 1) #12 Wed Nov 09, 2005 at 06:41:22 AM EST
Does this also retroactively null existing marriages in Texas? In which case, I think a lot of self-righteous fundies may have woken up this morning to discover themselves to be fornicators. Perhaps they even looked over the breakfast table at their loving, retroactively-bastard children, in their home which has suddenly become a lovenest where these previously God-fearing Americans are now shacking up in the absence of the sacrament of marriage... a veritable den of iniquity, filled with sinners who are spitting into the eye of God Himself!

And this fills me with an inordinate amount of glee, by the way.

"some days it just doesn't pay to chew through the straps." - clock


Not sure if it's retroactive... by atreides (2.00 / 0) #15 Wed Nov 09, 2005 at 07:14:04 AM EST
...but the union can't be recognized legally so it's probably legally void from this point on.

However, having not analysed fundamentalist thought close enough, you miss the point that they're not fornicators because they're been married in the eyes of God and Christ and that this issue only effects legal things which are of this world and not the next. Or some kind of crap like that...

So, how are you? You don't call. You don't write. :(

What happens in Canada stays in Canada. -Millman


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wait! by LilFlightTest (2.00 / 0) #16 Wed Nov 09, 2005 at 07:42:50 AM EST
how, then, can they say that i am living in sin, when god may well have blessed my union? they have no idea.
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Going out on a limb here... by atreides (2.00 / 0) #18 Wed Nov 09, 2005 at 07:58:54 AM EST
...I'm sure that a church and/or priest/minister/reverend/shaman/lama must be somehow involved, though, by that definition, if you're fucking a priest...

What happens in Canada stays in Canada. -Millman


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how bout you? by LilFlightTest (2.00 / 0) #19 Wed Nov 09, 2005 at 07:59:50 AM EST
as ruler of the world, i'd say you qualify...
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Funny you should mention this... by atreides (2.00 / 0) #22 Wed Nov 09, 2005 at 08:06:54 AM EST
...but we were discussing the possible need for a Pontifex to handle such holy matters. But since I do somewhat model myself on the Byzantine form of rule, I would be TISG's higest secular agent on Earth and therefore I'm sure I'd have the power to bless such a arrangement if I so desire. As long as I don't have a Pontifex, I have nobody to offer any serious disagreement. I guess, in my eyes, you're good, which you're good to the world until I say otherwise...

What happens in Canada stays in Canada. -Millman


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This may have by blixco (4.00 / 1) #23 Wed Nov 09, 2005 at 08:23:27 AM EST
been pointed out already, but here is what the law clerk for the senate told me:

Being identical to $something implies that there is $something_else that is a copy of $something.  In other words, Marriage cannot be a copy of Marriage, because there is just Marriage....one thing, not many things.  Just one thing that is not identical to anything else.  However, a Civil Union cannot be a Marriage, nor can anything else unless it is a marriage, in which case...it's a marriage, and not a seperate thing.

There's language to that effect all over the place in Texas law, so this is nothing unusual, apparently.

Your idea regarding a DBA being formed that describes a marriage (and not a business partnership with all the tax law and policy that this implies) is interesting.  Even if you called it Bob and Doug's Marriage, no-one would be rattled by it unless the language of the partnership (the incorporation papers) stated that the sole purpose of the partnership was legal protection identical to that of marriage.  And by doing this (in ten thousand words or less), you'd be violating prop 2.  Now, if you had a limited partnership that was simply an agreement between two parties to share in joint ventures and it outlined that party A brings X into the agreement and agrees to leave with X + 1/2 of the product of party A and B, and party B brings Y into the agreement and agrees to leave with Y + 1/2 of the product of party A and B, then you've got yourself a pre-nup that does not violate the law.

And you can start incorporating dogs and pagans and all sorts of off-kilter crap.

It's a great idea, and it is being done, currently, which is why I had to get in touch with the law clerk at the senate.  The two people involved are remaining anonymous for now, but I think it's the wave of the future, because ultimately they won't legislate morality into any business affairs.  Folks like Kenny Boy and Tommy DeLay stand to lose too goddamn much if that happens.
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