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By TheophileEscargot (Sun Jul 04, 2004 at 04:07:30 AM EST) (all tags)
What I'm Reading: "The Walled Orchard". Eupolis. What I'm Watching: "Sex Bomb". Gmail etc. Web.

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What I'm Reading
Finished Tom Holt's The Walled Orchard. In spite of realising I'd read it before, I think I appreciated it more this time; maybe because I'd been through those audiobooks of the Iliad and about Greek philosophy. At least it's not in the last two "book's I've read this year" diaries.

Strange that Tom Holt managed to write such a brilliant book. He's best known for his many Pratchett-esque fantasy comedies: they started out mildly amusing, but the quality steadily fell as he churned them out till they became rather like Carry On movies: the same hackneyed characters and jokes repeated to the point of nausea.

The "Walled Orchard" is a historical tragic comedy, dealing with the last great days of the Athenian Empire, told from the point of view of comic playwright Eupolis. It deftly alternates between comic farce and moving despair, has a huge amount of realistic detail. Like his other historical books it presents the agent Greeks as earthy, bawdy and scatologically-minded.

Holt presents the Greek comic theatre as being rather like the Elizabethan theatre in the fierce and underhand competitiveness: the playwrights fiercely plagiarize each other, spy and shout out spoilers, and attempt to nobble each others actors and costumes with theft and kidnapping. Possibly not authentic, but definitely amusing.

Holt's other histories Olympiad and Alexander at the World's End are similar if not quite as good. I've just started reading his newest, A Song for Nero, but it's showing disturbing signs of going the same way as his other comedies: there's much less detail, and it seems a little more formulaic and repetitive. Will have to wait and see.

As a tie-in I grabbed Thucydides History of the Peloponnesian War just to check the official accounts of a few things. Holt seems to have followed it pretty closely: the battles and the harbour and the Walled Orchard seem accurate. Eupolis was a real character, though only fragments of his verse remain. Tracked down one short translation in a book, but it's not very good. Can't seem to find any translations of his stuff on the intarweb. FWIW anyway...

"Pericles" by Eupolis
In eloquence no man could equal him--
When Pericles arose and took the floor,
By ten good feet our common orators
As by an expert runner were outstript.
Not only voluble, but with persuasion
Sitting upon his lips. He bound a spell,
And had the power, alone of orators,--
To prick men's hearts and leave behind the sting.

What I'm Watching
Last week I watched that channel 4 documentary about British "black propaganda" in WW2: Sex Bomb. Wasn't hugely impressed by it in spite of all the hype. Discovering that soldiers tended to throw away propaganda unread, both sides starting mixing porn and semi-porn in with it; which encouraged soldiers to keep the leaflets and tune into the radio.

While the sex/WW2/nazi combination must have had the network execs hyperventilating with sheer joy, once you've actually explained that there's not really a lot more to put in a documentary, though it did give them an excuse for lots of slow panning shots of boobies. Some of the non-sexual details were more interesting. They obtained metal fonts from Germany and used them to produce fake-official documents, purporting to show the trial of SS officers for fake sex offences. The propaganda unit had access to the latest intelligence, and would broadcast details of exactly which streets and numbers had been destroyed in the night's bombing. They would interrogate prisoners who were often willing to talk about incidental details, and mix in names of officers, names from the brothers and bars to give the impression of omniscient knowledge.

The storyline of the documentary, was that the head of the unit Sefton Delmer paid "a terrible personal price" of guilt at his actions. It implied that it caused the breakup of his marriage. This seemed pretty unconvincing, which Richard Ingrams confirmed in the Observer.

When people ask you to go on television, they have generally decided in advance what it is they want you to say...

Because Delmer worked closely with my father during the war, I came to know him very well and was later commissioned to write his entry for The Dictionary of National Biography. What the TV people wanted me to say when they phoned was that Delmer had suffered terrible remorse as a result of his wartime propaganda work which, according to the programme makers, was almost exclusively concerned with pornography.

I have seldom met a less guilt-ridden man than Delmer, a Falstaffian figure, a lover of good food and wine who once said: 'I can only think clearly in a five-star hotel.'

C4's programme described him as 'a tabloid journalist', tabloid being shorthand for sex and sleaze, so just the kind of person to do this dirty work.

In fact, Delmer was the chief foreign correspondent of the Daily Express which was not a tabloid and was in those days a more serious and influential paper than the Times is today. I mention all this not merely in order to defend an old friend but because I suspect that this programme is sadly typical of the kind of pseudo-historical rubbish regularly being put out...

Gmail, Opera, Yahoo
Glad I've got a gmail account with my common-as-dirt real name. Don't think it's worth switching though, since it's not at present compatible with my Opera browser. Managed to find some explanations of why and it's not a trivial issue. Gmail apparently depends on the ability to make "HTTP GET requests from Javascript." In IE it uses ActiveX to do this, in Mozilla special JavaScript.

Apparently Gmail are going to introduce a pure HTML version which will presumably work but have fewer features. Otherwise it's down to Opera to release a new version with extra features just for Gmail.

From what I've seen though, Gmail isn't really in competition with Yahoo Mail and Hotmail, it's in competition with Outlook. It's not designed with the ultra-simplistic philosophy of Google Search, but it's designed to be huge and rich in features. I love the Javascript spellcheck.

When it gets out of beta and has an HTML version, it may well be a competitor for Yahoo mail, but at the moment it just isn't. It's too big to work well over dialup, it doesn't seem to have Yahoo's excellent WML interface for phones... at the moment it's not portable enough to compete.

Glad that the competition's forced Yahoo to up their storage limits though. Even hotmail are claiming 250 MB of storage "coming soon". That should be interesting: wonder how many Windows server licences they'll need for all the machines to run that storage...

Web
Rock, paper, Saddam.

Guardian: The developing world's homophobia is a legacy of colonial rule.

The violent homophobia in Jamaica, which saw 16 men killed in prison in August 1997, because it was believed they were homosexual, the murder of the gay activist Brian Williamson last month, and the emergence of a popular culture whose principal characteristic seems to be to rid the world of "battyboys", is simply a more extreme example of a familiar cultural oddity, whereby colonised peoples often internalise and perpetuate values which pass away in the countries which originally imposed them; just as mid-Victorian leg-of-mutton sleeves still cover the bare shoulders of many African women.
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IAWTP by Rogerborg (3.00 / 0) #1 Sun Jul 04, 2004 at 04:33:59 AM EST
Regarding Tom Holt.  I didn't like any of his sub-Pratchett stuff; it doesn't feel like he enjoyed writing it.  Mrs Borg was mildly amused to discover that our heroine in Who's Afraid of Beowulf has the same unusual combination of qualifications as her though.  Walled Orchard is fine, with a remarkably perspacious description of the slapstick carnage of combat (it's funny because it's random - although it's not really funny at all, what with all the death and all).  Olympiad is a little more plodding, and I don't intend to read any more, having a suspicion that Mr Holt is already losing interest - and therefore self discipline - in his new format.

Oh, and even early Pratchett was never as good as early Pratchett.  Sort of thing.

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Early Pratchett by TheophileEscargot (3.00 / 0) #2 Sun Jul 04, 2004 at 04:43:27 AM EST
Wasn't that great IMNSHO. Strata and the Colour of Magic were pretty clunky: it took him a while to get into his stride.

I think Pratchett managed to stay original for a lot longer. Firstly he varied his settings and spoofs: Hollywood spoof, Egyptian spoof, Australian spoof etc etc, all providing new material for jokes. He managed to vary his plot formula too, from heroic-journey to apprentice-makes-good to detective to plot-against-patrician as well. Also his style evolved from gag-driven to character-driven comedy to quasi-serious satire.

Even so, his adult books seem to have pretty much run out of steam.
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outlook - not so good by martingale (3.00 / 0) #3 Sun Jul 04, 2004 at 07:25:29 AM EST
It's an intriguing thought, but if they're truly going up against Outlook, then I think it's a pretty stupid move on their part, imho.

There's a lot more to Outlook than email, and even than email + calendaring. Judging from newsgroups on office scripting and related sources, many large companies have built complex inhouse systems on Outlook and Office + plugins + cobbled together simple apps.

Google can never realistically offer an alternative to this ad-hockery, not on the web and certainly not outside of the corporate firewall. Gmail as a web offering, even if they sell it as an in-house webmail server, is at most a small component of the stuff those companies think they need.

They should stick to what they know, ie offering a "service" rather than trying to offer a "solution" like MS and IBM do. If they don't, the big boys will eat their lunch.
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Probably not much good for that by TheophileEscargot (3.00 / 0) #4 Sun Jul 04, 2004 at 08:27:02 AM EST
But I think for people using desktop email clients at home... maybe Outlook Express more than Outlook itself... gmail is probably a serious competitor.

And there are quite a lot of companies that don't do anything elaborate. My current workplace barely uses of the Outlook functionality at all. And the amount of storage allowed is only a fraction of gmails, and searching is very clunky.
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"Everything is vague to a degree you do not realize till you have tried to make it precise." -- Bertrand Russell
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I think you're mostly right... by ShadowNode (3.00 / 0) #5 Sun Jul 04, 2004 at 04:53:06 PM EST
I doubt they're really going after corporate users (what sane company would outsource their mail system?), but rather home users. They don't need any of the esoteric Outlook functions.

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Everything is outsourceable by Tonatiuh (3.00 / 0) #6 Mon Jul 05, 2004 at 01:04:18 AM EST
I don't see why email would be immune, it is a chore to administer, if you don't do it properly you may become an unsuspecting spamhaus, and nowadays many companies are required by law to keep backps, etc., a fulltime task on itself...

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of course the *can* outsource it... by ShadowNode (3.00 / 0) #7 Mon Jul 05, 2004 at 11:06:07 AM EST
But they'd better really trust whoever they outsource it to, or just not do anything confidential over email.

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Encrypt it Luke! [n/t] by Tonatiuh (3.00 / 0) #8 Tue Jul 06, 2004 at 11:30:59 AM EST


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Right... by ShadowNode (3.00 / 0) #9 Wed Jul 14, 2004 at 08:43:41 PM EST
Cause it's so easy to get people to actually do that...

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You will not ask them.... by Tonatiuh (3.00 / 0) #10 Tue Jul 27, 2004 at 08:18:42 AM EST
... you DIY as administrator.

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In which case... by ShadowNode (3.00 / 0) #11 Thu Aug 05, 2004 at 02:53:08 PM EST
You might aswell be running your own mailserver, negating the point of outsourcing it.

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