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By the (Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 11:01:15 AM EST) (all tags)
Well I finally got around to reading The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect. Basically it's cliché #2 in the Silly Science section here. (That link is spoiler free if you don't scroll down.)


OK, that's cruel. I actually enjoyed it quite a bit. But that cliché is one that has been worked to death and the particular formal system in which this version takes place is one that is largely well known because a well known SF author thrashed it to death decades ago.

Nonetheless, it's worth a read. If you're looking for comparisons then two authors spring to mind: the obvious one is Greg Egan who I think is one of the few authors who bothers to follow through with some of the logical conclusions of his premises. I think localroger does the same. I like that. The other author, curiously, is Michael Moorcock. The reason I say that is that much of Intellect shares ideas with the other book I (coincidentally) am reading at the moment: The Dancers at the End of Time trilogy. In both stories humanity is living in a future where people have almost limitless control over their environment. Morality becomes meaningless and the biggest problem facing people is boredom with life a never ending quest for thrills and novelty. Where the stories diverge is that localroger makes this near-infinite power the subject of his story whereas Moorcock makes it merely the backdrop for an entertaining comedic fantasy. The latter book takes for granted that you've already asked all of the philosophical questions that localroger asks and just want to get on and read something funny. "life is meaningful because we die" is also now a cliché

My final verdict is that if I'd read this book when I was 16 I'd have thought it was the best book evar. But I'm pushing forty now and I just don't get quite as excited about these kinds of ideas as I once did. But it's still good. 7.5 out of 10. In the style of this story I'd rank it roughly in the top 20% of science fiction stories I have read. It really ought to be in bookshops and I'll probably make a donation.

(PS The sex in the book is boring. It's basically all just plain fucking. You'd think that with the power they had these characters would come up with something more interesting...)

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I don't think so... by ShadowNode (3.00 / 0) #1 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 11:06:50 AM EST
As I recall, the computer was simply talked into destroying the world, and it was on the edge of making that decision itself.



SPOILER ALERT: I think so... by the (3.00 / 0) #2 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 11:15:09 AM EST
Prime Intellect is tied up by the paradox that it wants to save humans (according to Law #1) and yet saving humans inevitably leads to them destroying themselves (violating Law #1). These issues are referred to as 'paradoxex' in the text. Giving computers paradoxes to mull over is a standard way to finish them off in science fiction stories.

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Section IV, number 2 in the list in fact. by Gully Foyle (3.00 / 0) #23 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 09:53:09 PM EST


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Hey, great list! by DesiredUsername (3.00 / 0) #3 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 11:21:25 AM EST


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Have you not seen it before? by the (3.00 / 0) #4 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 11:26:17 AM EST
I contributed one or two of them. It's a scary list. If think you've just had a neat idea for a story you're likely to find it there!

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Ya know by ucblockhead (3.00 / 0) #7 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 12:11:36 PM EST
If I were a published SF author, I would have an incredible urge to write a book that featured things straight off that list just to do it.
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Steel Beach, by John Varley by DesiredUsername (3.00 / 0) #8 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 12:19:39 PM EST
Has medium length sequence with a lot of that stuff, or even worse. Pretty funny.

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I loved that book by ucblockhead (3.00 / 0) #12 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 12:46:29 PM EST
Especially the "Heinleiners". The whole book was a great tribute/mocking of the old man.
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IAWTP by DesiredUsername (3.00 / 0) #17 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 01:12:57 PM EST
Varley is very underappreciated as an SF author. Steel Beach and....the most recent one, with the actor, were both so good that I didn't want them to end.

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Golden Globe by DesiredUsername (3.00 / 0) #18 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 01:25:51 PM EST
And ooh ooh ooh there's a new one! "Red Thunder" doesn't sound promising, but I'll risk it--I haven't been let down yet.

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Varley by ucblockhead (3.00 / 0) #20 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 02:22:40 PM EST
I think I'll pass on that...I'm not in a Heinlein mood. But would you believe I've never read Ophiuchi Hotline? I should rectify that...
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Venus on the Half Shell by CrocoStimpy (3.00 / 0) #9 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 12:28:05 PM EST
By Philip Jose Farmer Kilgore Trout

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I don't see... by the (6.00 / 1) #11 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 12:35:23 PM EST
...dogs running off with mummified Pharoah's penises anywhere on that list!

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It's not about the cliches... by the (3.00 / 0) #10 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 12:33:10 PM EST
...but how you put them together. Or something like that. I bet that's a cliche.

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That list is cool. by komet (3.00 / 0) #5 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 11:26:42 AM EST
I have acouple of ideas for SF stories and I'm happy to see that they don't appear on the list. Perhaps I really ought to write SF sometime.

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I keep wanting to write SF too by the (3.00 / 0) #6 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 11:35:28 AM EST
But I can't write to save my life. I think my dream job would be science consultant for a SF TV series. It's easier to criticize other people's ideas than have your own. On the other hand I just started learning Inform again so that maybe I could put together something interactive.

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Publishing by ucblockhead (3.00 / 0) #13 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 12:51:37 PM EST
That's pretty much my assessment. Yeah, it's a bit cliched, but then, I'm currently listening to a piece of crap I got free from Bean Books that uses the wildly original "lizardlike aliens try to overwhelm Earth but are tripped up by those canny Americans" plot. As soon as I finish the damn thing, I think I'll write a diary mocking it. Somehow this crap got published...localroger's book has far more worth to it. He's no Iain Banks, but I certainly wouldn't have felt ripped off had I paid $7.95 at Borders for it.
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Oh by ucblockhead (3.00 / 0) #14 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 12:52:58 PM EST
this is the book I'm listening to. It's one of those "gee, I probably could get published if I were willing to write crap like this" books.
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That answers a mystery by the (3.00 / 0) #15 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 12:57:00 PM EST
Who the hell reads that kind of stuff? :-)

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Phbbbt!!! by ucblockhead (3.00 / 0) #16 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 01:02:36 PM EST
It's that evil combination of getting it free and wondering "how bad could it be?"

It's got some great howlers. For instance, we're supposed to believe that by 2009, we'll have contacted one set of aliens, been invaded by another and be able to design anti-matter powered body-armor with alien help.

Oh, and nukes fly everywhere, but somehow they're special nukes that don't create enough radiation to make anyone sick.
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Something like that made me read... by the (3.00 / 0) #19 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 01:29:40 PM EST
...this book. And then I read the sequel because no matter how bad it is you have to know what eventually happens...

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Oh, I've read worse. by ucblockhead (3.00 / 0) #21 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 02:26:33 PM EST
When I was forteen or fifteen or so, a friend lent me the Gor books, saying "Read these, they're great!". I promptly got the flu, and they were the only things in the house. I read the first eight in two days and eventually read up to number seventeen even though recognized how ghastly they were from number one.
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jesus by tps12 (3.00 / 0) #22 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 04:23:05 PM EST
I think I would probably sooner turn to reading the dictionary. SF isn't really my thing anyway, but damn, seventeen.

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Wait, wait, so you're saying by Rogerborg (3.00 / 0) #24 Tue Aug 17, 2004 at 08:02:54 PM EST
That localroger, like Moorcock, is suffering from delusions brought on by cliche #22?

Also, if you haven't already donated, you're not going to.  Not unless someone taunts you into it.

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