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By froopyloot (Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 07:23:44 AM EST) (all tags)
I'm gonna change your world.  And if you want a voice in that change you better speak up now.  I wanna know what you want.


I'm talking about What I Have Decided to Do With My Life.  I took a physics class quite by accident and loved it.  I am almost done with my undergraduate work and have found myself mixed up with a group that is obsessed with nanotech and what it can and will do in the future.  The short of this is, we are attempting to make a machine that can make machines.  A machine that can make any type of machine.  These machines that our machine making machine makes (fun tongue twisters yea!) can then be joined to make very complex machines.  And the kicker is, the hardware and the power for these machines are essentially free. 

Bollocks, you say?

I'm talking about nanotech.  It's already here.  It is moving forward every day.  And its application in the near future will change your life.  It will change everything.  Economics will no longer be driven by the availability or lack of raw materials.  I won't get in to the deep wobbly bits about the tech today, but I want to talk about the ethics, and the consequences. 

I have studied the existing ethics quite a bit and find them lacking and short sighted.  These ethics would be great for a tool that can be contained.  This tool cannot.  Once this Pandora has been let out of her Box, it will never stop.  And there will be no limits to what it can do. 

I'm a pretty simple guy.  I am motivated by simple things.  I enjoy my work and I am excited about doing something with my life that will change the world.  But here's the thing.  I am a little scared.  Because I am a simple guy, because I am no great thinker, I am worried that my work will be like Alfred Nobel's.  It will be useful, but it will be devastating as well.  Of course, it won't make a difference if I work on this or not, this work will go on with or without my help.  There are hundreds of people smarter and willing to put the effort I would into this.  But because I want to do this, I feel a responsibility to listen to all those who would speak about this.  I know there are those here who think that nanotech is a bunch of horseshit but I assure you, horseshit or not, it is what I am working on.  And within your lifetime (Unless you are over 70 or about to be hit by a bus) it will change the world. 

So on with the discussion.

Here are some of the points I have heard, starting with the negative:

1.  The economy will collapse.  No one will work anymore.  We will digress socially and technologically and the world will end.
    I have issues with this one.  But I am here to listen to what you have to say, so I will hush up.

2.  The world will end up as a big grey mass of goo.
    Again, I think this is not likely, and most folks in the field agree with me.  But these are people working with nanotech, and they might not be the most objective. 

3.  This will cause the greatest arms race ever.
    I don't have a good argument against this.  It might very well be true.

4.  This will be like any other tool, the rich and powerful will have it, and the rest of the world will beg them for the products.
    I don't think so.  Tell you what - when I get mine, I will make one for you with it, and then you can make another one for your friend and so on, until the rest of the planet has one. 

5.  The Guvament will be way to scared by this and will squash the research and hide my body in the desert, where my bones will be picked clean by coyotes. 
    They might try, but I doubt if they can succeed.  Then again, I might end up coyote chow.

Those are but a few of the negatives I have heard.  Please feel free to come up with more.

Now to the positives:

1.  The economy will collapse.  No one will work anymore.  We will digress socially and technologically and the world will end.
    Sounds good to me.

2.  People will work on that which makes them happy and the entire world will be more productive than ever. 
    Sounds too good to be true, but a nice thought.

3.  Starvation, thirst and disease will end.
    Again, this sounds too good to be true.  Though I truly hope that does happen.

So, whadda ya think?  Is this the beginning or the end of our world?  Or am I just continuing an age long quest for the Philosopher's Stone. 

~m

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I'm sorry by ucblockhead (6.00 / 1) #1 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 07:40:55 AM EST
I see no point in thinking about this, as the artificially intelligent computers can do a better job at it then I can.
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And so can the genetically modified plants. [nt] by greyrat (6.00 / 1) #5 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 07:50:30 AM EST


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Oh geez, by froopyloot (3.00 / 0) #6 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 07:51:41 AM EST
I thought this site was populated only by AI... are you telling me you are a real person?

~m

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No by ucblockhead (6.00 / 2) #12 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 08:10:50 AM EST
I'm an AI that is designed to respond exactly like ucblockhead.
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Thank gOd. (nt) by froopyloot (3.00 / 0) #16 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 08:16:07 AM EST


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note by tps12 (5.66 / 3) #2 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 07:42:29 AM EST
Pandora was not, technically, inside a box at any point.



How can you say that? by ucblockhead (6.00 / 1) #3 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 07:44:39 AM EST
We don't know that. She might have been in a box at some point.
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I know, by froopyloot (5.00 / 1) #4 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 07:49:12 AM EST
Fear and hope were.  But I like busting up cliches.  And I like talking about chick's boxes. 

~m

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grammar nit by tps12 (4.00 / 1) #7 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 07:59:38 AM EST
ITYM "chick's box's."

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No by ucblockhead (6.00 / 1) #8 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 08:09:24 AM EST
He means "chicks' boxes'.
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'xactly (nt) by froopyloot (3.00 / 0) #11 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 08:10:11 AM EST


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No but by froopyloot (3.00 / 0) #9 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 08:09:32 AM EST

Oops...

I meant chicks' boxes.

chicks' -  possessive plural
boxes -  plural

as in "I love looking at all those hot chicks' boxes"

~m

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also, sexist (nt) by tps12 (6.00 / 1) #10 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 08:10:09 AM EST


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Yes by froopyloot (3.00 / 0) #13 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 08:12:16 AM EST
Most definitely sexist.  In fact it was pointedly sexist. In every sense. 

~m

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chick's boxen is the preferrred geek way by georgeha (6.00 / 1) #14 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 08:12:27 AM EST



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You are correct sir. (N/T) by froopyloot (3.00 / 0) #15 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 08:12:56 AM EST


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IHBT by DesiredUsername (3.00 / 0) #20 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 09:54:22 AM EST
Boromir was the father of Faramir and the son of the Emperor of Gondor.

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Horray Nonotech! by codemonkey uk (6.00 / 2) #17 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 08:51:52 AM EST
Have your people call my people. I gots to gets me a army of nano-tech doctor bots to keep me alive forever.

--- Thad ---
Growing a mustache for charity.


Bugger immortality by cam (6.00 / 1) #18 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 09:20:12 AM EST
I want my knees fixed first.

cam
Freedom, liberty, equity and an Australian Republic
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MKVMAWTP by zantispam (6.00 / 1) #21 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 10:10:34 AM EST
My first bike was a Bianchi touring bike.

Yeah, you better run before LiaD stabs you with his shiny metal cock! -- theboz
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Nanotech. by blixco (6.00 / 1) #19 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 09:35:44 AM EST
I just want something that'll kill me alarmingly fast.  Better that than drowning in the now-born egos of a burgeoning, unstoppable humanity.
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Journeying through the world
To and fro, to and fro
Cultivating a small field.
-basho


Maybe you want by froopyloot (6.00 / 1) #23 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 10:22:16 AM EST
a crazed weasel in your pants?  It would most definitely be fast.  As well as alarming. 

~m

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But it would not kill me. by blixco (3.00 / 0) #25 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 10:33:00 AM EST
Fast and alarming, but fun: Mila Kunis with a dagger.

I mean, since we're playing in fantasy here....
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Journeying through the world
To and fro, to and fro
Cultivating a small field.
-basho
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Mmmm by froopyloot (3.00 / 0) #31 Fri Jul 30, 2004 at 05:09:20 AM EST
mmmmmMila!

~m(ila)

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mmmm, toner by MillMan (6.00 / 1) #22 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 10:13:59 AM EST
Well, there are 1,000 ways the human race will die before nanotech becomes a potential problem, but if nanotech unfolds as you suspect, it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. You are forgetting transhumanist angle: by augmenting or tossing out our biological components, we can become something else, free of the eternal competitive sexual drive of the human race that is responsible for pretty much all human violence. I think the odds are low, for the 1000 reasons I hint at above, along with the concerns you hinted at yourself.

As far as the gray goo, there is no way to disprove the possibility. Since self-replicating machines are viral, all that is required is a rogue to build the seed machines, and a way to disburse them wide enough and fast enough (taking into account their own speed and efficiency) such that no one can stop them before the earth is gray goo.
This may be the first class war in history where the victims will die laughing.


So by froopyloot (3.00 / 0) #24 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 10:24:26 AM EST
Then your are giving it a green light then, yes? 

~m?

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yep by MillMan (3.00 / 0) #26 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 10:41:07 AM EST
IMO, our competitive natures and our cognitive skills combined with our memory capacity are incompatible. Think Agent Smith in the first Matrix movie for the poor man's version (when he is talking to Morpheus during the interrogation). Thus, tech is our only way out, because only tech can "evolve" us on our own terms to a safer form of being, when at the same time, tech is the greatest risk to our existence.
This may be the first class war in history where the victims will die laughing.
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hooey by tps12 (3.00 / 0) #27 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 12:03:02 PM EST
Competitive sexual drive shmexual drive.

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it's all about sex by MillMan (3.00 / 0) #28 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 01:56:46 PM EST
100%, man. Well ok, food take priority, but just barely.
This may be the first class war in history where the victims will die laughing.
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seriously though by tps12 (3.00 / 0) #29 Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 04:08:13 PM EST
"Pretty much all human violence"? Carjacking? Ethnic cleansing? Prison rape? The war in Iraq?

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I've seen the Matrix by jimgon (6.00 / 1) #30 Fri Jul 30, 2004 at 12:43:24 AM EST
I know what happens when you let the machines build themselves.  We're all going to end being batteries, and Keanu Reeves will be a god. 



*WOAH, DUDE* by froopyloot (6.00 / 1) #32 Fri Jul 30, 2004 at 05:14:11 AM EST
Will we have to listen to Dogstar? 

~m?

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