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By Vladinator (Sat May 01, 2004 at 03:02:52 AM EST) (all tags)

Have you ever had this problem?

Plus, a poll.

You like to hang out somewhere, but everytime you find somewhere cool to hang out, it's not too long before some fucktard shows up and starts loudly ruining the place. So, then you have to wait for the crowd to get annoyed enough with the lout, or louts, before the herd moves somewhere else. The thing is, I work too hard and go to school too long every day to hunt for a place to hang out that is fucktard-free. Still, I'm open to suggestions.

Oh, and Cisco is teh ghey.

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Because I live in sunny, nazi-filled Az by Random Liegh (5.66 / 3) #1 Sat May 01, 2004 at 03:14:39 AM EST

...There's no point in leaving my house. So the net has to be my "place to hang out".

Hmmm. by Vladinator (6.00 / 2) #3 Sat May 01, 2004 at 04:49:15 AM EST

My. What an interesting point you make there... Why, one could surmise that the net is a place to hang out for some people, and that this only exacerbates the FT problem, since the FT doesn't have to go to as much effort to follow you from place to place. Still, what's the solution?
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Well... by Metatone

(6.00 / 6) #8 Sat May 01, 2004 at 05:37:28 AM EST

there are two realistic possibilities...

a) Learn to ignore the people who annoy you. It's not fair that you have to do this if they are targeting you specifically, but it can be worthwhile if you like the good people in $community enough. Letting someone drive you away from a place you enjoy is giving them undue power over you. I don't know you, I read your HuSi diary but I don't think I post in it... but you seem like a decent person. It would be a shame if you felt you had to go to Plan B.

b) Go to a radically new place on the net and start a new online life. I've done it before, it's not that hard really, the net is very fragmented, plenty of places you won't be found if you don't want to be. Starting new is kind of sad, leaving things behind, but it can be liberating too.

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b appears to be the way of the internet by Random Liegh (5.50 / 2) #11 Sat May 01, 2004 at 05:47:17 AM EST

I can't speak for anyone else, but online communities for me tend to take the following cycle.

1)You find a group centered around an interest that you have
2)The group you find is fun, so you make a place for yourself
3)People drift off, or are chased off -usually both- and the entire dynamics of the site/group change
4)you stew in this unpleasent almost-familiar group/site -not at all happy with the change, but not motivated to leave
5)you either get completely sick of the change and the lack of what orginally drew you to $community --or a new $community presents itself. You leave the old community and you're back at number one again.

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Well, in my experience.. by Metatone

(5.50 / 2) #16 Sat May 01, 2004 at 06:00:57 AM EST

Drift is the biggest killer... but it's hard to avoid... generally it's the equivalent of people moving house in meatspace.

On the internet people generally just get busy and drop out of sight for a while... if enough people have that happen all at once, the community changes...

Maybe it's just good fortune, but most of the communities I've been in haven't had a big troll/crapflood problem, so not many have been chased off... although personality conflicts are always a possibility...

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I've been in four (counting husi) since 98 by Random Liegh (5.50 / 2) #17 Sat May 01, 2004 at 06:05:12 AM EST

and in all of them, drift and personality conflicts are the big doozies. A healthy community can fight off trolling (and will have measures in place to delete crapflooding), but trolling thrives on communities that have already hit the decomposistion stage....

...not that I'm telling you anything you didn't already know. ;)

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: Indeed... I find that... by Metatone (5.50 / 2) #18 Sat May 01, 2004 at 06:10:20 AM EST

personality confilcts are the big problem in small communities...
Drift I guess I feel like I have come to accept in some way.. seeing the analogy with real life.. it's just unavoidable really... not to say I don't dream of things being different, but I guess I don't know that it really is possible...

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: Well, by ambrosen (6.00 / 1) #28 Sat May 01, 2004 at 10:35:15 AM EST

There's one I've been in since 1999, and there's people there from the early 90s (internet, not web), and it still works. Mind you, it's a single issue community, or rather, it's a newsgroup, but the dynamics work.

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Write-in: by CheeseburgerBrown

(5.85 / 7) #2 Sat May 01, 2004 at 03:50:09 AM EST

Pracing nude through the woods with birds alighting on my fingertips, my song like that of a babbling brook.

With a boner.

_____
I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.

you're lucky i'm not an editor. by rmg (2.87 / 8) #4 Sat May 01, 2004 at 04:53:24 AM EST

you'd be gone.

[t]rolling retards conversation, period.

In Soviet HuSi, by webwench

(5.87 / 8) #5 Sat May 01, 2004 at 04:55:44 AM EST

you're lucky vlad isn't an editor.

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I doubt very much by Vladinator (5.50 / 2) #6 Sat May 01, 2004 at 05:09:17 AM EST

that we will ever have to worry about that.
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: well, we'll see. by rmg (1.40 / 5) #7 Sat May 01, 2004 at 05:09:58 AM EST

[t]rolling retards conversation, period.
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You do realise, rmg... by Metatone

(5.88 / 9) #9 Sat May 01, 2004 at 05:38:42 AM EST

that is possibly the most persuasive argument for you not to be an editor so far?

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do you know who this guy is? by rmg (1.77 / 9) #10 Sat May 01, 2004 at 05:43:50 AM EST

he is the source of crapflooding. he is crapflooding incarnate.

[t]rolling retards conversation, period.
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Which makes you by anonimouse (5.57 / 7) #12 Sat May 01, 2004 at 05:49:19 AM EST

troll biter extraordinaire.

Anyway, this diary is quite a subtle one; direct confrontation between Vald and others has been previously sat upon by the almighty editors, so it looks like a subtle attempt to see if someone will blow hard on this innocent seeming smouldering ember.

Girls come and go but a mortgage is for 25 years -- JtL
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i am fully aware of what he's trying to do by rmg (3.00 / 4) #13 Sat May 01, 2004 at 05:51:41 AM EST

that was the whole point of the original comment.

the smart thing to do is just get rid of him. it's a lesson rusty learned a long time ago.

[t]rolling retards conversation, period.
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rusty "got rid of" Vlad a year ago by Random Liegh (6.00 / 2) #14 Sat May 01, 2004 at 05:53:46 AM EST

and what has become of kuro5hin in the meantime?

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: well, the rest is totally unrelated. by rmg (3.50 / 2) #15 Sat May 01, 2004 at 05:55:22 AM EST

kuro5hin had two problems: vladinator and pocide. rusty failed to deal with the second.

[t]rolling retards conversation, period.
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Do you believe in rehabilitation? by ti dave (5.71 / 7) #19 Sat May 01, 2004 at 06:31:45 AM EST

On this site, he's been respectful and plays well with others.

Let it go, man. Let it go.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs
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that's what he did on kuro5hin too. by rmg (3.50 / 8) #20 Sat May 01, 2004 at 06:43:00 AM EST

here's how it goes:

he creates an account and is nice and friendly about it.

then he posts something about what a victim he is and how trollaxor's kids have mistreated him.

people don't do anything about it because they say he hasn't done anything.

trollaxor's kids show up and crapflood the site until someone does something about it.

the editors get rid of trollaxor's kids accounts and if they're smart, they get rid of vlad too.

then vlad gets a new account (or not, in this case) and does it again.

is vlad a victim? is he being hounded?

the answer: who cares? he is just one person and he brings it on himself. the real victims are the users whose site gets crapflooded.

[t]rolling retards conversation, period.
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Ever seen the movie "Zardoz"? by ti dave (6.00 / 4) #21 Sat May 01, 2004 at 06:51:08 AM EST

You're playing the role that Sean Connery played.

Alternatively, oversensitivity is a problem with this saga;
1.) Vlad is overly-sensitive to criticism.
2.) You're overly-sensitive to his presence.
3.) It makes everyone come too quick.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs
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no, i haven't. by rmg (3.00 / 4) #22 Sat May 01, 2004 at 06:59:54 AM EST

i'll take shwords for 500.

the original comment was an off-the-cuff remark. a simple statement of what i'd do if i were an editor. i've only defended my position.

you can't argue with the facts. it's pattern everyone who pays attention can see.

[t]rolling retards conversation, period.
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I *prefer* to argue with facts. by ti dave (5.75 / 4) #23 Sat May 01, 2004 at 07:07:34 AM EST

Veritas, baby.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs
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I prefer to argue *against* facts. by mrgoat

(5.75 / 8) #24 Sat May 01, 2004 at 07:29:43 AM EST

It's way too easy to win an argument if you stick to the facts. Now, convincing the other guy without using any actual content? That's fun.

--top hat--
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: you should run for Congress (nt) by tps12 (6.00 / 1) #56 Tue May 04, 2004 at 01:51:57 AM EST

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Zardoz! by hulver

(6.00 / 6) #25 Sat May 01, 2004 at 08:34:03 AM EST

What a fucking top film.

Mind you, I've only seen it while stoned.
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"mind you, I've only seen it.. stoned" by Random Liegh (6.00 / 2) #26 Sat May 01, 2004 at 08:53:16 AM EST

That's the only way to watch cinema.

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: Indeed by hulver (6.00 / 4) #27 Sat May 01, 2004 at 09:36:48 AM EST

Espescially Sean Connery naked.
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Astonishing, not to mention wrong. by Vladinator (1.61 / 13) #29 Sat May 01, 2004 at 03:12:05 PM EST

Let's get this straight - I am NOT a crapflooder. I do not crapflood. I used to run a website that was a haven for anyone, where the rules were far more relaxed than they are on slashdot, kuro5hin, or husi. Almost anyone could post anything they wanted to. A few, notably SEVERAL people who left to form Adequacy, and the infamous WIPO Troll, created a topic on the site called 'suitable target' which was used to post about sites that were 'target rich environments' for trolls or crap flooding.

I did not censor this, at first. Later (like, after people started calling my sick relatives in the middle of the night) I put a stop to such action, but only after the persistant harassment of my family started. The vast majority of the people responsible for this set of events, left for AQ, and the DoS attacks started.

Through all of this, I didn't crapflood a SINGLE FUCKING WEBSITE and yet, to this day, people like you claim that I did, with no proof what-so-ever (excuse me, EVAR) and act like I eat small babies.

All I've ever wanted to do here, was get along, and enjoy myself. People who bring prejudice with them from the outside, only contaminate this site with outside problems.

I'll be nice to you if you return the favor.
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"there's no proof" by rmg (1.90 / 11) #30 Sat May 01, 2004 at 03:49:15 PM EST

i don't care what has and has not been proven in this regard. i don't know what you have and have not done and, again, i don't care.

but there is one thing i do know: crapflooders follow you around, crapflood the site you've staked out, and you ask them for more, just as you have in this diary.

to put it another way, you didn't close down the "suitable targets" section. you took it off your site and placed on your back. now you carry it with you everywhere you go.

it doesn't matter how nice you are or how much of a victim you are. your very presence is evidence of your malice. you come here under a name everyone knows, when you could very easily come incognito. that's what you would do if indeed you're only here to "hang out" or whatever.

that's why the editors ought to deal with you. rather than just the people you attract.

[t]rolling retards conversation, period.
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So then, by Vladinator (2.33 / 12) #31 Sat May 01, 2004 at 03:59:59 PM EST

in your view, I just shouldn't be me?

Some people LIKE to talk about what goes in in their life, with their family, etc. I am one of those people. I've tried what you ask (insert list 1/2 a dozen long of 'retired' K5 usernames) and am almost always quickly found out. Why? The stuff I post about gives me away, as do my unique spellings and grammatical paterns.

I'm doing a good job of behaving here. If you, or someone else, can't - hey man, that's your problem. Sorry to hear about it.

Next?
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if you are really what you present online, by rmg (1.91 / 12) #32 Sat May 01, 2004 at 04:27:29 PM EST

then yes, in my view, you shouldn't be you.

but if you want to talk about your life or whatever other stupid crap, there's a very easy way to do that. don't use the name vladinator and move to a site far away, not connected in any way to kuro5hin. they will never find you.

your behavior is to bait people and invite crapflooding. only the very naive will think of that as good behavior.

[t]rolling retards conversation, period.
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Quit it... by atreides

(4.70 / 10) #34 Sat May 01, 2004 at 05:35:10 PM EST

Look, I neither know or care who did what to who. I don't want to hear about it either. Let's let it go and go on from there. OK?

"He's stony, like a sphinx. Eats sand. Also, eroded by sand. Funny how that works." -Emissary

"...Well known to be one of webwench's dupe accounts. If you think you've seen pictures of him, he was photoshopped in, or played by an actor." -Rogerborg
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of course. by rmg (1.91 / 12) #35 Sat May 01, 2004 at 05:47:39 PM EST

i'm not one of trollaxor's kids and i really don't care much about this guy.

it is important for the editors to know the score here, though. the stuff that went on here a couple weeks ago (which i suspected prompted the selection of new editors) is exactly what began k5's undoing.

the editors' role is to protect the community, not to do what seems nice or adhere to some set of principles. again, such behavior killed k5.

[t]rolling retards conversation, period.
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I know what's up... by atreides

(4.75 / 12) #36 Sat May 01, 2004 at 05:59:08 PM EST

Now, please, both of you guys quit it. these "lively debates" are what start this ball rolling.

"He's stony, like a sphinx. Eats sand. Also, eroded by sand. Funny how that works." -Emissary

"...Well known to be one of webwench's dupe accounts. If you think you've seen pictures of him, he was photoshopped in, or played by an actor." -Rogerborg
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This isn't a debate. by Vladinator (1.26 / 15) #41 Sun May 02, 2004 at 05:02:59 AM EST

It's amazing how fast HuSi went from fun place to hang out to fascist Nazi editor atreides HQ.

If anyone is looking for me, I'll be on SRU...
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STFU by ucblockhead

(4.75 / 8) #54 Mon May 03, 2004 at 07:11:05 AM EST

If the editors were really nazi fascists, both you and trollaxor would be IP-banned.

Don't talk to trollaxor. Period. Don't allude to arguments you had in the past. Period.

Quite frankly, no one gives a fuck about your little fucking arguments. When you and those other idiots go off on your little whiney bitchfests, it just makes everyone want the lot of you to go away.

I will zero every single comment I find from either you or one of your pathetic little "enemies".
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: clarification by ucblockhead (4.50 / 6) #55 Mon May 03, 2004 at 07:13:04 AM EST

I mean by that, every comment I can find that is part of your stupid little war.
If you can manage to act like an adult, and post interesting stuff, I'll rate those accordingly.
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[ucblockhead is] useless and subhuman
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It seems you say that... by ta bu shi da yu (3.00 / 0) #57 Fri Jun 18, 2004 at 08:45:41 PM EST

... about every web-board you don't own.

Good luck!

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Quit it. by atreides

(5.16 / 6) #33 Sat May 01, 2004 at 05:34:32 PM EST

Look, I neither know or care who did what to who. I don't want to hear about it either. Let's let it go and go on from there. OK?

"He's stony, like a sphinx. Eats sand. Also, eroded by sand. Funny how that works." -Emissary

"...Well known to be one of webwench's dupe accounts. If you think you've seen pictures of him, he was photoshopped in, or played by an actor." -Rogerborg
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Bingo. by Trollaxor (1.30 / 13) #44 Sun May 02, 2004 at 04:50:53 PM EST

I just shouldn't be me

I think you've just hit the nail on the head after a lifetime of making enemies.

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Nope by Nutbutter Jim (6.00 / 4) #37 Sat May 01, 2004 at 08:02:57 PM EST

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