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By TheophileEscargot (Mon Feb 16, 2004 at 12:08:11 PM EST) (all tags)
My inner nerd can no longer be repressed. WARNING: contains extreme nerdishness. Do not enter if you have a life.

Includes an four-way matrix POLL!



Computer nerd
My clock-radio goes off at 8 AM, just as the news comes on. About the third item was about how Microsoft had had a large part of its windows source code stolen and released on the net. So, once I'd made coffee, I started eMule, saw it was there, grabbed the most popular version and began downloading. But while I thought other programmers would be into it like me, enthralled at the prospect of finally peering into the guts of the Leviathan; nobody else gives a crap. Not at work, not on HuSi. Bah.

Still, at least I'm part of the digital underground.

Interesting to see that eMule seemed to handle it a lot better than BitTorrent. Tried three .torrents, but in each case the tracker had gone down under the load. EMule handled it nicely though, achieving near-BitTorrent download speeds.

Wondering how much of the slowness of eMule is due to the existence of BitTorrent: with everyone grabbing torrents of the newest files, all that's left on eMule is the obscure stuff without many sources. (They both use similar trust/reward systems).

There's a K5 Story on the MS sourcecode, and slashdot reports the first exploit: a buffer overrun on images in IE5. Wonder if that works for embedded images in Outlook HTML emails too (Outlook uses the IE control). Nice.

Star Wars nerd
The key sign that someone has crossed that terrible border from semi-cute geekery to offensive nerdishness is use of words like "real", "really" or "reality". Fiction is different to real life: someone can legitimately complain about something being undramatic, boring, unconvincing or implausible, but when you hear them talk about what really happened, or about how Kirk and Spock are really gay; you know that they have descended into madness.

So, let's cross that line and look at this comment about the extended celebration scenes in the special edition of Return of the Jedi.

I hadn't thought about it, but those scenes do actually bug me. First that as he explains, it doesn't make sense that the whole galaxy would immediately burst into spontaneous celebration. Second, that the whole thing seemed indicative of Lucas' descent into egostical self-indulgence. You wonder who they're supposed to be cheering: the Rebel Alliance or George Lucas.

On the other hand, the whole ending never made any sense to me. As I recall it, the whole point is that the rebels walk into a trap, caught between the Death Star and the Imperial Fleet. Admiral Ackbar even says "we won't last long against those Star Destroyers", though they decide to attack them anyway. So, after the Death Star is destroyed, surely the next thing to happen is that the rebels get obliterated by the fleet and the Empire keeps going under a new leader. Instead we just cut away into the victory celebrations. It's like:
"Oh my God, we're trapped in this cabin with a rabid wolf and a bear! What can we do?"
"Don't worry! I shall kill the bear with this bear trap. CLANG!"
"Hooray! We're saved!"
Cut to victory celebrations.

Why set up the problem for the heroes if there isn't a cunning way to escape it? It's just sloppy.

Skiffy nerd
In Trillion Year Spree, Brian Aldiss talks about the implausibilities in Asimov's Foundation series. One of his objections was that it wasn't possible for all the millions of inhabitable worlds to suffer the same decline into barbarism. But while his other criticisms are valid, I don't think this one is.

First, you have to think about what Asimov actually meant by barbarism. "Back to oil and gas" is one thing that Salvor Hardin says when he finds out that the Four Kingdoms have lost the secret of atomic power. He finds it out by mentioning plutonium as fuel, when that hasn't been used for thousands of years. On the decayed Trantor, it's explained that they have returned to farming rather than hydroponics because hydroponic systems need an industrial base and are vulnerable to attack: not because the technology has been lost. So while other author's declines into barbarism, with swords replacing guns aren't plausible, Asimov's barbarism is roughly equal to his contemporary level of technology. More advanced in some ways, as the barbarians can invade in (presumably oil-burning) spaceships.

That again makes me think about whether a level of technology can only be sustained by a civilisation of a certain size. I suspect that an artifact like my mobile phone could not be produced by an isolated country, and requires a globalised civilisation. For a start, some of the rare earths are only available from a few parts of the world. The different components may be manufactured in various places. The Java and software are the result of a global software development community. Vast and specialized chemical plants are needed to produce the various plastics. The plants that make the chip use vast and sophisticated machinery, it's only possible to produce them at an affordable price because there is large enough market to make the plants profitable.

So, if you assume a civilization with more advanced technology, maybe the specialization has spread beyond a single world. Maybe to make an Atom Blaster or an Analytical Rule the resources of many worlds must be pooled together, and without trade they would fall back into the barbarism of oil and gas bases technology. Given that Preem Palver carries out an interstellar trade in fruits and vegetables, it does seem that production is likely to be specialised in this way.

Audio nerd
OK, in spite of the problems of fast-forwading through hour-long MP3s on my archaic player, I found it quite handy to listen to the Foundation series on the way to work and back. So, I decided to look for other audio books on P2P. Soulseek was disappointing: a couple of dozen books, but mostly unavailable. Emule has a bit more, but still not many, and again there are few sources. Most of the books are awful-looking self-help stuff too.

Then it occurred to me that the libraries I go to seem to have a hundred or so audio books on tape, some of which look pretty listenable. Then it also occurred to me that cassette players allow you to fast-forward and re-wind very easily and accurately. And that they be can switched off and have the batteries changed and they remain at exactly the same place. And that the sound quality is easily good enough for voice recordings.

So, it does seem like I'm actually going to have to go out and buy one of these state of the art cassette-playing "Walkmans" for my portable audio needs.

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What were some of his "valid" critiques by georgeha (5.50 / 2) #1 Mon Feb 16, 2004 at 12:24:40 PM EST
Google has failed me, though I only went into one or two pages of links.

The spaceships were nuclear powered, but nuclear power became reserved for the armed forces, and civilians had to make do with coal and oil. The only knowledge of nuclear power was in the hands of the fondation-trained techs, and it was cloaked in religious vernacular.

If you want to get hyper-nerdish, argue that Asimov, Lucas and Heinlein are all examples of what happens when a creator gets too powerful for editors to rein in, they're later and later works get more and more craptacular.




Can't remember by TheophileEscargot (3.00 / 0) #11 Mon Feb 16, 2004 at 01:05:09 PM EST
There was something about the implausibility of predicting the future so accurately, but Asimov addressed that himself with the Mule and the Second Foundation.

The real nerds seem to like defending the later books though.
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"Life is too short to be interested in everything, but it is good to be interested in as many things as are necessary to fill our days."-Bertrand Russell
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What was the file called and how big? by Bob Abooey (5.50 / 2) #2 Mon Feb 16, 2004 at 12:33:45 PM EST
I looked on lopster and found something that was 200 megs that claimed to be the source, but I really couldn't be arsed to download it.

I remember when Netscape went open source and I was thrilled to download the code and actually look at the guts of the most word famous and historic browser, and it was just a giant smattering of c++ code that I deleted after 30 minutes of futzing about.

So, I'll likely look at it at some point, just to look at it, but I couldn't be arsed to study it or anything.

Warmest regards,
--Your best pal Bob


Don't fall prey to MS's plan by georgeha (5.00 / 2) #3 Mon Feb 16, 2004 at 12:37:49 PM EST
If you read the leaked code, they can say you got your award winning ideas for RecipeBlaster 2004 from NT, and sue your ass, thus setting the stage for MicroSoft-Cooks Y2K4!


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I'm out of that racket... by Bob Abooey (5.50 / 2) #7 Mon Feb 16, 2004 at 12:55:26 PM EST
Mostly anyways.

I'm going to update my RS/6000 Box and do a final AIX release but for the most part I'm done with it for now. In fact, if someone was driven and wanted to take over the project I would let them do so with no qualms.

No, since I became a musician I've given up freeware haX0Ring in my spare time. I must say, the open source software promise of fame, fortune and hot babes is a bit overblown by the loonux community...

Warmest regards,
--Your best pal Bob
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213,748,207 bytes, windows_2000_source_code.zip by TheophileEscargot (3.00 / 0) #10 Mon Feb 16, 2004 at 01:03:04 PM EST

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"Life is too short to be interested in everything, but it is good to be interested in as many things as are necessary to fill our days."-Bertrand Russell
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Crowds cheering the emperor's defeat by spacejack (5.66 / 3) #4 Mon Feb 16, 2004 at 12:51:42 PM EST
Could've been the CNN-ized version. Also remember that history is written by the victors (Star Wars took place a long, long time ago).

Uhm.. why am I rationalizing this for Lucas?



Finally by hulver (5.50 / 2) #5 Mon Feb 16, 2004 at 12:52:27 PM EST
I put the poll options up to 16 ages ago after a fierce campaign from nerds.

Only now does somebody use it.
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smart, pretty, sane. pick two - georgeha


Hey! by spacejack (5.00 / 1) #8 Mon Feb 16, 2004 at 12:59:00 PM EST
Thanks! [nt] by TheophileEscargot (3.00 / 0) #9 Mon Feb 16, 2004 at 01:01:18 PM EST

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"Life is too short to be interested in everything, but it is good to be interested in as many things as are necessary to fill our days."-Bertrand Russell
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Oh yeah, forgot to add... by spacejack (5.50 / 2) #6 Mon Feb 16, 2004 at 12:54:48 PM EST
re: crashing IE. I remember pulling a .swf out of CVS once that had been committed in "text mode". Tried playing it in IE and crashed the browser. So I bet you could do something nasty with swfs too... too bad I got rid of it.



Dunno by TheophileEscargot (3.00 / 0) #12 Mon Feb 16, 2004 at 01:21:18 PM EST
I think plug-ins are interpreted, aren't they? You probably couldn't do a buffer overflow with an SWF. Though if you can get someone to install a plug-in you could probably do some nasty things.
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"Life is too short to be interested in everything, but it is good to be interested in as many things as are necessary to fill our days."-Bertrand Russell
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plugins by spacejack (6.00 / 1) #13 Mon Feb 16, 2004 at 01:31:25 PM EST
(or ActiveX in this case) are native code, which is why they run fast. IE actually crashed, probably because the Flash player choked on the SWF data (not sure if IE has any defense against a plugin crash). I don't think it crashed on the ActionScript code, corrupted or otherwise; it probably got bad data from the swf and overflowed a buffer or something trying to use it wrongly.

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It's not a nerd poll by gpig (4.50 / 2) #14 Mon Feb 16, 2004 at 02:49:08 PM EST
A nerd poll would represent the different binary possiblities as bits, then one digit of hex would suffice for the answer.
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"This option is deprecated, as it is conceptually flawed." -- man psql


it's still 16 choices, so.. by infinitera (4.50 / 2) #15 Mon Feb 16, 2004 at 02:52:31 PM EST
It doesn't matter how to present them, bitwise or not.

Language sprang fully-formed from the ass of God - mrgoat
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Bigger audio nerd by sam (5.66 / 3) #16 Mon Feb 16, 2004 at 04:29:59 PM EST
There are a few audio books up at suprnova.org, hidden in misc/books or the like. They come and go fairly quickly, however.

For a while I was listening to digitized lectures from foreign universities while I travelled, so I guess that I'm an even bigger nerd than you. For what it's worth, you might enjoy the recordings of this University of Minnesota course on science fiction and fantasy.

(Poor labels; the first few mp3s are: History of SF A, B; History of Fantasy A, B; Utopian Elements in SF A, B; Religion in Fantasy A, B; Religion in SF A, B; and so on.)



code by martingale (5.50 / 2) #17 Mon Feb 16, 2004 at 08:37:16 PM EST
I really don't know what the fuss is about. Frankly, I couldn't care less about their code being out there. I've been banging my head against the wall with windows development for about a year now, and have zero wish to know more about it.

I don't care about COM object internals, they're ugly.

I don't care about how they implement their file locking. It's wrong.

I don't care about how the edit controls handle RTF. I don't care to know why their memory manager constantly swaps to disk. I don't care to know how they cache frequently used files, and I don't give a damn why they insist on cancelling service loading if it doesn't respond within a few seconds, why the registry hive is different for services and why their mapi subsystem needs a special service flag to accomodate.

I have no idea if the source contains pointers to those things. I just don't want to read badly designed kludgy stuff. And I know it's badly designed and kludgy because I've been banging my head against it for nearly a year.

Now SCO source code, that could be interesting ;-)
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Regarding the Star Wars movie by gibichung (5.00 / 3) #18 Mon Feb 16, 2004 at 08:54:01 PM EST
I had assumed that, with both the flag ship and the Death Star gone, the Imperial fleet didn't persue the Rebels when they withdrew right before the Death Star exploded. As the battle was thus-far indecisive and having no remaining command, they just scattered or switched over to recovering survivors. It's a safe bet that with the sort of discipline enforced on commanders who "failed" the leadership, no one wanted to take any initiative.

You're right, the new scenes didn't make any sense. The Death Star was supposed to be secret, so how would anyone even know what happened?

But I've never read any of the books or anything, so what do I know?



must disagree by martingale (4.50 / 2) #19 Mon Feb 16, 2004 at 09:20:39 PM EST
(after quickly diving into phone booth and changing into my supernerd outfit)

The slashdot post TE refers to is bullshit. One of the fundamental things in stories and novels is that time is variable. There's no reason to think that the celebrations must happen exactly at the same time. They could be happening when it's reasonable, a few months later. It's a suggestion for the reader.

Two, the celebrations on Coruscant are necessary. Ever heard of the saying "the king is dead, long live the king?". Whoever takes power from the emperor (who is dead now, remember?) will be organizing a celebratory bash in the capital. Just look at Iraq. The Americans and the British insisted on cheering footage. "The king is dead, long live the king."

About the fleet, there is such a thing as routing the enemy. Especially with a strong willed commander, and both of those were killed in the death star, the troops are going to be uncertain. If they perceive that the battle has lost its direction, they'll just decamp.

Just my two cents.
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$E(X_t|F_s) = X_s,\quad t > s$
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Hmm by gibichung (5.00 / 1) #20 Mon Feb 16, 2004 at 09:51:20 PM EST
I can't think of another instance in the Star Wars movies where the scenes are cutting to the future and back, though I guess it's possible.

The closing scene is definately supposed to happen the night after the battle, though. Watch it again.

It's true that individual soldiers may rout, but there's just nowhere for sailors to go. Presumably it would have had to have been the officers.

The sort of purges and fear you see in the movies would discourage surviving officers from taking any initiative. See Russia, 1941. I'd guess that they were never ordered to attack, (remember?) so they didn't.

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maybe by martingale (5.00 / 1) #21 Mon Feb 16, 2004 at 11:46:20 PM EST
If the scenes do a lot of back and forth, then you're probably right. Haven't seen SW in a long while, so I'll defer to you.

It's true that individual soldiers may rout, but there's just nowhere for sailors to go. Presumably it would have had to have been the officers.
Judging from the way the Empire's finest treated them, I wouldn't rule out the officers routing. Especially since they would have been clearly aware of the Emperor's demise. Actually, scratch that, they wouldn't. The troops would take some time to become aware of the lack of commands from the top. Actually, scratch that again. In those days (a long long time ago), communications was so advanced that the military machine would be very dependent on, and keenly aware of problems at the command and control level.

Hmm, I still think they would have routed.

The Battle of Stalingrad may have been quite different if either Hitler or Stalin had been killed and the soldiers had known about it. The threat of being shot by your superior officer only works so long as there's a chain going up to the top.
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I suppose by TheophileEscargot (4.00 / 1) #23 Tue Feb 17, 2004 at 12:26:06 AM EST
The Imperial troop's discipline might be about as good as their marksmanship. In which case they might just flee at the slightest sign of trouble.

If that's true though, why didn't George Lucas show this happening?

Not convinced that a professional navy would be so easily demoralized by the loss of a commander... the hierarchy still exists, and the second in command would just take over. People tend to be more scared of their immediate superior than the distant figure of the commander.

Also, given a sudden power vacuum, it doesn't make a lot of sense for the guys with all the firepower to abandon rule of the Empire to a rag-tag bunch of space hippies. Look at the Roman empire: sometimes they got through several emperors a month, but there were always willing replacements... usually those with an army power base. Nobody ever said, "Gosh the emperors dead: let's abandon our power and re-establish the Republic".
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"Life is too short to be interested in everything, but it is good to be interested in as many things as are necessary to fill our days."-Bertrand Russell
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ok by martingale (3.00 / 1) #24 Tue Feb 17, 2004 at 02:24:36 AM EST
I think together, you and gibichung may have convinced me. Note however that your typical budding warlord eyeing a power vacuum is not going to squander his new troops on the old guy's idée fixe, when he could be regrouping and consolidating.
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the supernerd answer by Metatone (6.00 / 1) #25 Tue Feb 17, 2004 at 03:02:42 AM EST
(or how they wiggled out of this in the following books)

apparently, allegedly, the Emperor was using the Force to weld the Imperial Fleet into even greater fighting capability using his dark side powers. However, when he died the effect disappears, leaving them disorientated and demoralized.

Also the destruction of the 2 totemic ships of the Fleet (the Death Star and Vader's Executor) apparently wasn't good for morale.

They kept Nelson's death a secret until the end of Trafalgar... perhaps even sailors under fierce discipline are vulnerable in their hearts...

<shrugs>

that's Timothy Zahn's shimmy around the inconsistencies... but then he has room to flesh it out and use the plot for something else....

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Wrong analogy by gibichung (3.00 / 0) #26 Tue Feb 17, 2004 at 11:39:24 AM EST
I'd see the Empire as being more like the USSR during WW2 than the easier Roman or Nazi comparisons.

If you think about it, their higher-level command has suffered a lot since the beginning of the movie. The old guard of the navy are all killed on the Death Star in the first movie. Then, you've got purges of any officers who take initiative or make mistakes in the The Empire Strikes back, and intimidation in the last movie. Here's a good quote for you:

The content of the training appears to foster control more than initiative, centralized authority more than independent action, and a narrow technical approach rather than systems integration. To the degree that this is a correct assessment, Soviet military education would appear to mirror Soviet civil education. In the final analysis, the question is whether training for control is more important than education for initiative. While Western liberal education has overwhelmingly been devoted to the latter, Soviet civil and military education is a unique product of Russian history and an authoritarian regime and is well-suited to a growing scientific technological power with a war-fighting doctrine.
This is why during the war you would see Soviet armies attacking the same points day after day, until their burned out tanks clogged the roads for miles back; why none of their officers would dare to exploit a breakthrough if it took them past where they were supposed to be; why they'd let massive armies be encircled so easily; why we expected we could beat the Soviets in Europe with 1/4th their numbers during the Cold War, etc.

Think about it. The Imperial ships were ordered to hold position, then the orders stopped coming. If they reacted anything like Soviet commanders would, they'd have held position until they were exterminated or it was very obvious that no more orders were coming. And we remember what Soviet officers did in those situations -- the Nazis took 5.7 million Russian POWs over the course of the war.

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I think your analogy helps my point ;-) by TheophileEscargot (3.00 / 0) #27 Tue Feb 17, 2004 at 12:21:27 PM EST
...during the war you would see Soviet armies attacking the same points day after day, until their burned out tanks clogged the roads for miles back
Now, the Imperial fleet was clearly fighting the rebels on screen. They weren't suddenly going to stop: they'd keep fighting until one side was wiped out.

If they were cleverly outflanked or englobed, Lucas ought to have shown that on screen. Not just cut to the victory dance and relied on us assuming an unspecified stroke of military genius by the rebels.

Suddenly deciding to just surrender after a setback would have been totally uncharacteristic of the Red Army in WW2. That would have taken far too much initiative.
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"Life is too short to be interested in everything, but it is good to be interested in as many things as are necessary to fill our days."-Bertrand Russell
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It would not by gibichung (3.00 / 0) #28 Tue Feb 17, 2004 at 02:25:33 PM EST
Surrender is the one thing that Red Army officers would do on their own initiative. Remember, 5.7 million prisoners.

I don't see what's so complicated about this. The Imperial fleet was deployed to prevent the Rebels from escaping. They're specifically ordered not to attack. The Rebels attack them, then fall back, and the Imperials don't persue because they weren't ordered to.

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Another option by lm (3.00 / 0) #29 Wed Feb 18, 2004 at 08:10:58 PM EST
It is not unreasonable to think that Vader and/or Sidious had installed a dead man's switch in the larger Imperial vessels to prevent any possible attempts at a military coup d'etat. If such was the case and the dead man's switch worked as designed, the death of either Vader or Sidious may have triggered such niceties as the release of poisoned gass throughout the life support systems of the Imperial command ships.

There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
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RotJ write in: by Rogerborg (3.00 / 1) #22 Tue Feb 17, 2004 at 12:23:02 AM EST
Why do you hate America?  It's because of people like you that our glorious victory in Iraq wasn't welcomed with flowers and hot panting Muslamic poon tang.

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Metus amatores matrum compescit, non clementia.


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