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By 606 (Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 01:34:22 PM EST) (all tags)
From my vantage, it looked like the Internet was exploding yesterday. The big leftie blogs were strangely silent, almost stunned. Nobody wanted to say anything. And then, suddenly, all hell broke loose.

It seemed that the Kerry-ites, myself included, were not prepared for Bush to win. That is, I didn't think I was such a Kerry-ite, and I didn't think the outcome of the presidential election would matter to me. I thought "ah, well, if Bush wins again we'll just have to keep on going." But it was in that one instant just after Kerry conceded that all hope was lost. I suddenly realized that I had never conceived that Bush would win. The groundswell seemed to great, the mood was changing, there was a feeling of "we're not gonna take it anymore" in the air, and I didn't believe that Bush could survive in that atmosphere of what I perceived to be "logic".

It was in that instant that we all went nuts. All of us with even slight leftie tendencies, we suddenly had a vision of a fascist dictatorship, a country full of morons, a secret zionist plot, and a giant leather boot stomping on a human face for all eternity. This vision was false... we are nowhere near that bad of a world, but when we lost hope we saw it. We thought, "look at what we've done so far, look at the effort we put into changing the world, and yet we had no effect. We changed nothing." And then we all wrote really nasty diaries and comments about it and scared away some more moderate folk.

At 11:30 AM my time, an unnamed IRC channel I frequent exploded. There were two or three republican supporters in the channel, and a lot of democrats, and the republican supporters were saying "gee, isn't it a great day?" to each other and "we should get some supreme court justices in, quick, to keep this thing going" and then all of a sudden it went crazy. People started throwing around quotes from the Patriot Act and the republicans dropped links from Bowling for Truth that the lefties would refuse to read and then a fearless +op came in saying "what the hell? No more political talk! This channel is supposed to be about drugs, women, and warez!" and then the discussion switched to what sort of language would be cause for ban and whether it was okay to use the word 'spic'.

As always, blixco already said it better... but I'd like to appologize to anyone I've offended with my ranting and raving. It's time we heal. It's time we shut up. It's time we toss back some beers, together.

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Thank God for the Hole by TheophileEscargot (6.00 / 2) #1 Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 01:40:59 PM EST
Hulver-god to be precise.
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"Life is too short to be interested in everything, but it is good to be interested in as many things as are necessary to fill our days."-Bertrand Russell


Cheers by Jave27 (6.00 / 1) #2 Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 01:45:11 PM EST
[to intoxication]
"Beating up the homeless. It's cruel, but it's a good clean work-out and leaves you feeling winded and superior." - CheeseburgerBrown




Beers for benevolence! by blixco (6.00 / 2) #3 Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 01:45:20 PM EST
Violence is out!  Drunken behavior, in!

All hail!  This will be the dawning of a great age, an age of great drunkeness!

(And, yeah, it still sounds like a ship going down with a too loud band playing, but the deck-chairs are arranging themselves, so let's have a toast to the dearly departed and make way for the unencumbered bodies that will litter the landscapes of those little countries that hate us.  All hail!)
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Journeying through the world
To and fro, to and fro
Cultivating a small field.
-basho


Drink up by ucblockhead (5.57 / 7) #7 Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 01:57:56 PM EST
It's a big ship. It'll take decades to go down. We'll all be dead by then and hell, we don't even know any of the little brown people getting bombed. Besides...you're an educated straight white male, I'm an educated straight white male....we'll get first dibs on the lifeboats. See? We've got it made as long as we just stop caring about all the other people.
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ウセーバラケダ
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well by alprazolam (4.50 / 2) #4 Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 01:51:49 PM EST
there was a whole lot of gloating going around yesterday as well.

i mean if kerry had won, sure i'd be happy about it, but i wouldn't treat it as an accomplishment of my own.



er by 606 (5.00 / 2) #8 Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 02:25:24 PM EST
So, you're saying that libs are better than cons because, had we won, we wouldn't be gloating about it?

Doubtful, in that we probably would be gloating that we finally beat those nasty republicans, and because gloating habits have absolutely nothing to do with the policies we're arguing over.

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imagine dancing banana here
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we? by alprazolam (5.00 / 3) #11 Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 03:02:32 PM EST
what we? i'm saying, i got tired of the gloating and went off on a couple people.

they have a little hissy fit and then proceed to talk about how divisive liberals are.

shrug

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oops, sorry, i misunderstood by 606 (4.50 / 2) #14 Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 03:13:01 PM EST
For a second I thought you were trying to argue that liberals were better than conservatives on that respect. You see how frazzled I am? My bullshit-o-meter is on a hair-trigger... it goes off too easily right now.

Sorry.


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imagine dancing banana here
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Yup by ucblockhead (4.50 / 2) #12 Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 03:03:00 PM EST
When a tribe of chimpanzees drives another one off, it is always with loud hooting and flung feces.
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ウセーバラケダ
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Bugger Healing by cam (4.00 / 2) #5 Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 01:52:59 PM EST
... yesterday was one of the must fun and interesting days I have had on the hulver internets.

cam
Freedom, liberty, equity and an Australian Republic


but not very helpful by 606 (3.00 / 1) #9 Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 02:29:17 PM EST
Oh, I agree, yesterday was an interesting day all over the weeb, but it wasn't a very helpful day. All the arguments were exagerated and warped, and ego, emotion, and spite got in our way. If anything, that kind of emotion deepens the us vs. them rift that is causing most of the mess.

On the one hand it was nice to see that a lot of people are just as terrified deep down as I am. But it certainly didn't make us seem very rational or, you know, worthy of being voted for.

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imagine dancing banana here
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it's called venting by alprazolam (5.20 / 5) #13 Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 03:08:41 PM EST
you know, letting off steam? get the metaphor?

and what the fuck do i care about what you or anybody else "seems" like?

all i care about is meeting my own requirements for my own happiness.  i don't care if people like me or not.

and do you really think people are gonna remember that one day, or that they really care? they've made up their minds already anyway.  healing is bullshit, it's not gonna happen. ever.

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not just lefties by tps12 (5.40 / 5) #6 Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 01:55:01 PM EST
The Democrats and their allies staked everything on the defeat of this President. All of the resources they had accumulated over a generation of struggle were thrown into this battle: and they have failed. Despite all of their tricks, despite all of their lies, the people have rejected them. They mean nothing. They are worth nothing. There's no point in trying to reach out to them because they won't be reached out to. We've got their teeth clutching the sidewalk and out boot above their head. Now's the time to curb-stomp the bastards.
– Adam Yoshida



a terrifying metaphor by 606 (5.25 / 4) #10 Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 02:36:04 PM EST
Whenever I think of curb-stomping, I think about American History X and all those psycho KKK freaks. I don't know if this Adam guy meant to insinuate that America was like a 300 lb. fat white guy in a mustard-stained wife-beater wearing army boots curb-stomping a democrat "nigger", but I sincerely hope he doesn't mean that.

Jesus, where did you find this? Who is this man? This is disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.

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Of course he means it. by CrocoStimpy (5.00 / 3) #15 Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 03:17:56 PM EST
Check out the last sentence:

"They lost, now they can sit in the back of the bus."

Considering the way the vote split along racial lines, it's very clear what he means.  Better be careful though.  When they're done with the niggers and queers, the chinks will be next.

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try the weekly standard by alprazolam (5.00 / 3) #17 Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 03:55:04 PM EST
I think they get more satisfaction that liberals are disappointed than from their guy actually winning.

Seriously, go take a read and educate yourself about how you're an enemy of America.

Yea they want to heal. Riiight.

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apparently his blog is pretty popular by tps12 (6.00 / 1) #22 Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 04:54:07 AM EST
Sadly, No! makes fun of him a lot, but this one was linked to from Orcinus.

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indeed by MillMan (4.00 / 2) #19 Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 05:02:28 PM EST
much of the reason I was so distraught yesterday was that we witnessed the death of the democratic party. We've all been talking about it for a while, but to see them get thumped so badly, so soon...I mean, I don't have anyone to vote for anymore who represents my interests beyond a few topics.
This may be the first class war in history where the victims will die laughing.
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yeah by tps12 (3.00 / 0) #23 Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 04:55:30 AM EST
I think death-of-the-party talk is a little dramatic after a 51-48 loss and a Republican majority in Congress that is still not approaching the magnitude of the old Democratic majority, but there is definitely reason to worry. The strategy of trying to ignore the culture war while addressing "issues that matter" just does not work.

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it's more by MillMan (3.00 / 0) #27 Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 08:25:16 AM EST
"reading the writing on the wall" than knowing they are actually dead, which is obviously untrue. As each election passes the writing is getting clearer, though, for reasons we've discussed many times over.
This may be the first class war in history where the victims will die laughing.
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The real fight has yet to begin by theboz (5.00 / 3) #16 Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 03:40:18 PM EST
A lot of us that supported Kerry were encumbered by trying to get him elected and to be "better" than the Republicans and all sorts of optimism. Now, there is just anger, hatred, and fear. Now folks like myself are not going to be made more moderate by the pussy Democrats. Quite a few of us are becoming more radical. Expect the next for years to be a living hell, both from Bush and his supporters (such as al Qaeda) and from those of us who are enraged about the direction our nation is taking. The time has come to fuck shit up.
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That's what I always say about you, boz, you have a good memory for random facts about pussy. -- joh3n


Go ahead, fire the first shot by thenick (5.00 / 3) #18 Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 04:41:00 PM EST
Storm a government building and try to take it over. Kidnap Republicans and behead them. What ever makes you feel like you're doing something. Start fucking things up.

After you're sent to Camp Xray or Leavenworth or some undisclosed location, you'll have plenty of time to think about how the country really wasn't all that bad off the during Bush's entire Presidency and any damage to standing in the world can easily be repaired when the new President takes office in '08. Unfortunately for you, you'll be in a cell somewhere and if they do decide to let you out someday, you can't vote because of your felonies.

Like all things in life, this too shall pass. But if you decide to go nuts, the life you know now will be over by the time it does pass.

 
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"'Vengence is Mine', quoth Alvis. And then he shot the guy, right in the freaking face!"
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Don't be a dumbass by theboz (5.66 / 3) #21 Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 07:23:43 PM EST
I don't know what you think, but violence like that would only serve to give the Bush administration and other government officials an excuse to make things worse. Unlike Republicans, I have ideas that are better than killing people or destroying civilization. Perhaps the worst thing about neocons is that you all are unable to come up with anything better than murder, stealing, or destroying things. I guess that's why people like Bush get along so well with the Saudis who attacked us on 9/11. Peas of a pod, birds of a feather. Me, on the other hand, I will just do my part to turn the world against them.
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That's what I always say about you, boz, you have a good memory for random facts about pussy. -- joh3n
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If I'm a neocon by thenick (3.00 / 0) #26 Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 07:57:31 AM EST
Why did I vote against the Marriage Definition amendment? How come I donate to the Libertarian Party?

Look, the way I see it, you have only two options as a citizen: vote or rebel. The first option didn't work out the way you planned, so the second option was all that was left. That coupled with your statement about "fucking things up" lead me to believe that you were angry enough to go postal. What I couldn't have determined is that "fucking things up" also included angrily posting to a website about how Bush is evil.

Look, Kerry lost. Nothing you say or do is going to change that. You'll just have to sack it up and live with him until 2008. In the end, how much does Bush really affect your day to day life? Unless you're in the military, probably not much.

 
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"'Vengence is Mine', quoth Alvis. And then he shot the guy, right in the freaking face!"
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Here's the deal by theboz (3.00 / 0) #29 Sun Nov 07, 2004 at 08:02:02 AM EST
Look, the way I see it, you have only two options as a citizen: vote or rebel. The first option didn't work out the way you planned, so the second option was all that was left. That coupled with your statement about "fucking things up" lead me to believe that you were angry enough to go postal. What I couldn't have determined is that "fucking things up" also included angrily posting to a website about how Bush is evil.

I can see how my post comes across as potential for "going postal", as much as I mistakenly took your gloating over Bush's win as being a neocon.

Also, I do plan to do damage, as well as make people miserable with Bush in office. I won't really discuss what I plan to do, other than the fact that I plan to break no laws, and I do not plan to do anything I morally object to. However, I would like to see Bush supporters cry and realize how stupid they are. In fact, I'd like to see the same from the Kerry supporters that got mad at me when I complained about the Kerry campaign and how they weren't doing enough. So, we'll see if any of the stuff I plan to do becomes a big deal or not, but at least as long as I am in Ohio I will make people regret voting for Bush. Whether it's from putting pictures of blown up Iraqi children all over town, or renting billboards, or any of the other ideas I'm not ready to share yet, I will be doing something.
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That's what I always say about you, boz, you have a good memory for random facts about pussy. -- joh3n
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I left part of that off by theboz (3.00 / 0) #30 Sun Nov 07, 2004 at 08:12:40 AM EST
Look, Kerry lost. Nothing you say or do is going to change that. You'll just have to sack it up and live with him until 2008. In the end, how much does Bush really affect your day to day life? Unless you're in the military, probably not much.

My wife was bugging me to go do some work, but here's a quick answer to that.

I've set up a bank account and had to deal with some Patriot Act bullshit because they government doesn't trust me.

I've moved and had to stop at weigh stations because the government doesn't trust me.

I'm married to an immigrant and because of that, the government has tried to interfere with and scrutinize my relationship with my wife, because they don't trust us.

Then there's the job market, the rising cost of living, and many other things that affect me on a daily basis. I know a couple people who were in or in the train station under the WTC when it was attacked, and I know some people either in or recently out of the military, or my brother who is nearing draftable age. Oh, not only that, but I know some people who are gay that are in committed relationships, but now there is no hope for them to be able to have any benefits for each other or shared custody because Bush and his people got their way.

There is a lot more that I can say, but you can see how this affects me, even if it's in small ways. So yes, I do think it's important.
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That's what I always say about you, boz, you have a good memory for random facts about pussy. -- joh3n
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I respect yours and Blixco's opinion... by superdiva (6.00 / 1) #20 Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 06:28:26 PM EST
...but for the record, I'm not apologizing for my views or for my anger. 

I'm entitled to be pissed, and I owe it to the thousands of innocent people here in the U.S. and around the world who've died because of the bullshit of the Bush administration to be proactive everyday of my life instead of every four years.

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What? Me worry?


Ah ha! by RapidHamster (3.00 / 0) #24 Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 07:06:12 AM EST
She actually has a very good point. Why should we get involved in killing people in Iraq when Saddam has been doing a bang up job of it for the last decade! Who are we to spoil his fun? By killing all those innocent Iraqi soliders we prevented them from killing all the truly innocent civilians that Saddam ruled under an iron fist. I am ashamed to be an American. I for one will not stand for keeping violent dictators from killing and torturing thousands of their own people every year!

Genocide - its not just for breakfast anymore!

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You're right. by superdiva (3.00 / 0) #25 Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 07:13:58 AM EST
I'm SO glad the U.S. doesn't support countries that violate the rights of their citizens.

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What? Me worry?
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meh by RapidHamster (3.00 / 0) #28 Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 11:09:44 AM EST
I am sure if I cared enough to make the effort I could find something that would refute everything that says. Nice bit of propoganda you got there though.

No government will please all the people, and when you already hate someone for some reason, its easy to find things against them. All in all I think the US does more good for the world than harm.

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