Etruscan origins?

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Ancillary Justice by ucblockhead (4.00 / 1) #1 Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 03:15:03 PM EST
I'm glad you made the point that the gender language is as much or more about the first person protagonist's gender obliviousness than the genderlessness of the society portrayed.  I've seem some refer to the protagonist as "female", which rather misses the point as while her physical body may be female (and I am not sure there's actual textual proof of that) the character herself is genderless by her very nature.   (An consciousness born spanning many human bodies of both genders.)

Anyway, lots of very interesting things about that book, not just the gender stuff, where the viewpoint leaves you clueless about the actual gender of all but one character, but also the viewpoint from inside an evil empire.

Anyway, it's not clear to me that the society portrayed is as gender neutral as some say as much as it is an experiment on confounding the reader's own gender biases.
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Tiredness by R343L (4.00 / 1) #2 Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 10:02:05 PM EST
I've been tired for months and I don't even have a ambitious scrum master (thorough I am doing new things too.)


Ancillary Justice is on the list when I feel like fiction. And you almost have me considering a Stross book which I've avoided due to being mostly neutral on (sometimes actively annoyed by) his posts on the web (which is in contrast to Scalzi who I liked his blog before I picked up a book.) Still. Sounds interesting. Or maybe I'm ready for some fiction (though new Scalzi and new Watts next month!)

"There will be time, there will be time / To prepare a face to meet the faces that you meet." -- Eliot

Scalzi and Stross by ucblockhead (4.00 / 1) #3 Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 11:26:54 PM EST
Scalzi's fiction I find to be a mixed bag...Stross too for that matter.  Both are authors who I liked initially but became annoyed at some of their authorial ticks.  Stross is the better writer, IMHO, but I suspect you'd be annoyed at his female characters as for the most part he just can't write female characters.  (Somewhat ironically, Saturn's Children, whose main character is a sex-robot, is the only one I've read that doesn't have this failing.)

Scalzi I like more when he's being experimental.  I almost skipped Redshirts as the last couple of books left a bad taste but ended up really liking it.

I think Ancillary Justice is in another league from either author as it has a lot of depth and some serious world building.

Looking forward to the new Watts, but looking forward to Hawk even more.

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Sick wife & baby don't help with tiredness by TheophileEscargot (2.00 / 0) #4 Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 02:31:09 AM EST
Baby's gone back to waking up several times a night.

I think Stross would be a much better writer if he could write just one novel a year. Churning out those big series so fast is his biggest problem: I really regret wasting time on the dire later Merchant Princes and apparently he's writing even more.

Scalzi seems like a lovely guy from his blog, but his books seem OK rather than brilliant to me.
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Combing replies mostly about Scalzi by R343L (4.00 / 1) #7 Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 07:44:01 PM EST
Scalzi for me is "popcorn". Light and fun but not too much depth. Which is honestly about how much attention I have for fiction often enough (should probably pick up the next Dresden for the same reason.)

"There will be time, there will be time / To prepare a face to meet the faces that you meet." -- Eliot
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Recommend the Dresdens by Merekat (2.00 / 0) #8 Mon Jul 21, 2014 at 01:06:04 PM EST
Just about the right size for exhausted brain.
Similar the Rivers of London stuff.

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I want to correct Ariel's use of ringer by ammoniacal (2.00 / 0) #5 Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 02:37:20 AM EST
over wringer, but I don't want to be accused of sexism. Just another insidious way that sexism harms society and good grammar.

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Stross and the economists by Scrymarch (4.00 / 1) #6 Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 12:08:23 PM EST
Crooked Timber had a Stross roundup a while back including a bunch of well known economist fans like John Quiggin and Paul Krugman.

Can't remember if we discussed it here.

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I tried really hard to like Ancillary Justice by aphrael (4.00 / 1) #9 Thu Jul 31, 2014 at 08:44:54 PM EST