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Ummm... by ucblockhead (4.00 / 2) #1 Sun Oct 20, 2013 at 10:56:51 PM EST
I'm not about to defend the US refusal to have a decent safety net, but...

"is just 63.2 per cent in the US for those aged 16 and over, and 68.5 in Europe, for those aged 20 to 64."

The difference between "16 and over" and "20 to 64." is massive, partly because a significant percentage of those between 16-19 are not working because they are students, but mostly because a large proportion of those over 64 in the US are generally retired.

The US statistics seem to come from here
If you knew cohort populations, you could make an actual comparison with this.  According to this, labor participation for 65+ was 22.1% in 2010, and for the same year, labor participation for 16-19 year olds was 34.9%.

This seems to be the comparable figure for Europe.  According to that, labor participation for 15+ was 57.5% in 2011.
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US statistics by Orion Blastar (1.33 / 3) #3 Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 06:12:39 PM EST
are that way because unlike UKians we don't have a good socialized medicine program, or a good socialized education system.

In our high schools we got a large drop-out rate. People aged 16 leave high school to work 'retail' jobs to make ends meet for their aging parents who are denied medical benefits because they have pre-existing conditions. Thus they over 64 are forced to work 'retail' jobs to afford their medication and medical bills.

The retirement age was raised to 67, and soon will be raised even higher in the USA.

I am on social security disability since 2002, it pays less than minimum wage, and medicare in the USA is a big joke. I got $100,000USD in medical debts with 29% interest, so I was able to transfer most of it to credit cards in order to avoid the 'loan sharks' as we call it.

BTW that website got slashdotted as 20M+ people signed up for Obamacare. Oabamacare is basically IDontcare with a new name. All it does is make insurance companies rich by denying benefits and lowering their rates but raising copays and deductibles.

My wife was denied coverage because she is diabetic. She had just applied. Those pre-existing conditions still exist in some way, and she has to get $900/month insurance under Obamacare from her employer because it is a 'group' plan that pre-existing conditions don't apply to anymore, but they still do with the cheaper 'personal' plans.

I know people as old as 90 still working in the USA, so retirement age here doesn't really mean anything. Plus people enter the workforce at age 16 as high school dropouts, and never become a college student because they cannot 'afford' to become one as our 'education system' and 'student financing' was never adjusted for inflation since the 1970's so most people don't quality for grants or loans anymore because they, at minimum wage even, earn too much money as a 1970's person working minimum wage earned.

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Harming others by Orion Blastar (1.33 / 3) #2 Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 04:56:14 PM EST
I agree that inaction can cause one to harm others by neglecting them.

For example the homeless problem, homeless people are harmed because most of society and the government itself takes inaction towards them and neglects them.

Corporations just randomly fire people when they are not profitable and then don't care about what happens to them.

Banks just sell their mortgages in bulk to foreign investors after they lose their jobs, and then those homes get foreclosed on due to a bad economy.

You'd think there would be some sort of safety net, but unemployment pays less than minimum wage and not enough to keep a house. But the government extends it to two years. After three months of missing house payments, the person is homeless and so is their family.

Then nobody cares enough to help them out, the USA's answer to the homeless problem is just to ignore it and hope it goes away. Inactivity causes homeless people to suffer.

There should be a program to help the homeless, put them in temporary apartments so they have a postal address, give them access to showers and barbers to look good for job interviews, give them money for thrift store suits and clothes to look good and clean them.

But nope, once you go homeless nobody cares about you anymore. Now even if you lose your job, you don't get cared about anymore.

I lost my last job in 2002, nobody cares about me anymore either. I was forced on disability and of course the inaction of society and the government to help me has hurt me emotionally, physically, mentally, etc.

It is like I am a non-person with no rights, freedoms, or liberties. Anything I say or write is deleted from record and ignored or hidden. But I am not alone there are many more out there just like me.

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DSM by priestess (4.00 / 1) #4 Thu Oct 24, 2013 at 06:32:09 AM EST
Ha, that DSM5 review is great, cheers.

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