How is it pronounced?

Offen   6 votes - 50 %
Of-ten   5 votes - 41 %
Orphan   1 vote - 8 %
Frequently   0 votes - 0 %
Very carefully   1 vote - 8 %
Drop out and become a goatherd.   2 votes - 16 %
I solved your pronunciation problem.   1 vote - 8 %
 
12 Total Votes
SCIENCE! by the mariner (2.00 / 0) #1 Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 03:46:16 PM EST
gotta disagree about science and moral problems. increases in wealth, technology, and human knowledge driven by scientific inquiry both erode traditional evils and alleviate the conditions of poverty that lead to immorality. not only that, they lead to changes in mores that define away much of what had traditionally been called immorality.


in fact by garlic (2.00 / 0) #2 Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 06:33:14 PM EST
the same companies using science for war machines are the ones using science to build mars curiosity rovers. Boeing and Lockheed are the major contractors.


what a bunch of illiterate peasants by gzt (4.00 / 1) #3 Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 09:35:46 PM EST
really? 2/3 of you think it's "of-ten"? crikey.

WIPO by anonimouse (4.00 / 2) #4 Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 12:41:08 AM EST
Depends on the amount of alcomahol consumed.


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Gah by Herring (2.00 / 0) #5 Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 04:11:38 AM EST
Pirates on the brain now.

"Major General Stanley is no orphan. And what's more, he never was one."

You can't inspire people with facts
- Small Gods

One of my grandmothers by ana (2.00 / 0) #6 Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 09:04:39 AM EST
who grew up in Arkansas, pronounced the T in often. I wonder if there's a pocket in middle America where that's the standard, on-the-ground dialect.

And I wonder how or if it overlaps the voiceless liquid /wh/ (so that 'which witch' are two differently-pronounced words due to the first consonant). That one is in my idiolect, so I suspect it's more widespread. But toxicfur assures me it's another flyover zone feature of English.

I now know what the noise that is usually spelled "lolwhut" sounds like. --Kellnerin

more by gzt (2.00 / 0) #7 Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 09:25:43 AM EST
it originated as an example of "hypercorrection", so the poor, less literate and the upper class, wholly literate would say "offen" while the newly-literate and hypercorrecting would say "of-ten". but that's 19th century and in England. I read that of-ten has been rising in usage in the past few decades. in my brand of Iowa flyover English, it was always "offen", but perhaps they're learning to read.

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See also by Herring (2.00 / 0) #8 Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 10:12:29 AM EST
Forehead (commonly pronounce now as "four head").

You can't inspire people with facts
- Small Gods

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There was a little girl... by ana (2.00 / 0) #10 Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 11:08:13 AM EST
who had a little curl
right in the middle of her forehead.
When she was good,
she was very very good,
but when she was bad
she was horrid.

Which suggests that in some dialect at least, "forehead" should rhyme with "horrid". 

I now know what the noise that is usually spelled "lolwhut" sounds like. --Kellnerin

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It does by Herring (2.00 / 0) #11 Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 11:17:59 AM EST
But very rare to hear it pronounced correctly these days.

You can't inspire people with facts
- Small Gods

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Sometimes by Merekat (2.00 / 0) #15 Wed Aug 08, 2012 at 10:16:33 AM EST
Correct is stupid. It is part of ones head, and to the fore.

I had a standup row with a drama teacher once who insisted I should pronounce power as if it only has one syllable, like 'par' but sort of posher. My argument was it may have been correct but it was no longer realistic.

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yeah, I grew up with a four - head by gzt (2.00 / 0) #12 Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 11:30:18 AM EST
in the South, it's still forrid. I don't think I've encountered a Northerner who says that, though.

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I say offen by toxicfur (4.00 / 1) #9 Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 10:54:54 AM EST
If I'm remembering my history of the English language (and later sociolinguistics classes) correctly, off-ten is a hypercorrection in current American English, and the rise of it has to do with literacy. Similarly, as Herring pointed out, 'forehead' is a literacy-based hypercorrection. I grew up saying 'far-id', but when I was working on getting rid of the Southern accent in college, I realized that nobody said it that way. I've said 'four-head' for half my life now, and it's unlikely that I'll return to saying it the way I learned it.
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The amount of suck that you can put up with can be mind-boggling, but it only really hits you when it then ceases to suck. -- Kellnerin
As Pinker points out by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #13 Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 12:03:10 PM EST
Death by violence is a fraction of what it was back when the killing tools were primitive.
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OTOH by MillMan (2.00 / 0) #14 Wed Aug 08, 2012 at 01:07:19 AM EST
pollution, global warming, suicide, misery, etc

"Just as there are no atheists in foxholes, there are no libertarians in financial crises." -Krugman

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2 of those 4 by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #16 Wed Aug 08, 2012 at 02:53:57 PM EST
Are less of an issue now than ever before.  The suicide rate is orders of magnitude lower than the decrease in death rate over the last couple hundred years, and general misery is also much lower than ever before. 

Pollution is actually not as bad as fifty years ago.  Global warming I'll give you.
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I'm talking pre-civilization/agriculture by MillMan (2.00 / 0) #17 Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 01:00:29 AM EST

"Just as there are no atheists in foxholes, there are no libertarians in financial crises." -Krugman

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me too by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #18 Thu Aug 09, 2012 at 11:54:07 AM EST
Hunter gatherer tribes studied by anthropologies typically see about third of their male population die by violence and a third of their female population die in childbirth.

It is true that the working hours are good, though.
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