What is your opinion of alternative medicine?

Quackery.   1 vote - 14 %
Scams.   2 votes - 28 %
They need to be diluted more in order to be more effective.   2 votes - 28 %
They need to be deluded more in order to be more effective.   0 votes - 0 %
Big Pharma is word-murdering our children.   1 vote - 14 %
I solved your tetrahedra problem.   0 votes - 0 %
The earth is hollow and I have touched the sky.   1 vote - 14 %
 
7 Total Votes
Why not get the wife's permission to troll? by marvin (4.00 / 1) #1 Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 12:45:46 PM EST
If you troll family members hard enough, they learn to STFU about their loopy crackpot theories whenever you're around.

The fact that they may no longer speak to you or acknowledge your existence can make it a double win in some cases.

but I'm not around! by gzt (2.00 / 0) #3 Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 01:01:44 PM EST
this just on the book of faces. they typically don't pipe up about it in person and i don't particularly want to make things awkward. for all they know, i'm just some guy who pops down to visit a couple times per year, is generally pleasant, and then disappears from their radar. why raise my profile and in an antagonistic way?

though i do worry that any children she eventually produces will wind up unvaccinated.

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it should go without saying by the mariner (2.00 / 0) #23 Fri Apr 06, 2012 at 02:26:04 PM EST
that if you have permission to troll, you're not really trolling. 

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this post is itself by nathan (2.00 / 0) #24 Fri Apr 06, 2012 at 04:30:02 PM EST
A fine troll.

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Are there jobs in University Park? by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #2 Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 12:57:49 PM EST
I figured there were so many undergrads willing to work for beer money decent jobs were hard to find.


but the beer money undergrads... by gzt (2.00 / 0) #4 Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 01:02:59 PM EST
...aren't available for full-time or often even half-time gigs.

ISU has the same problem, too. OSU wouldn't, but we're kind of weaning off that option.

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Alternative medicine by me0w (4.00 / 1) #5 Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 01:21:09 PM EST
I suppose it depends on what you consider alternative medicine. Some modalities have a strong/growing evidence base as to their effectiveness for certain conditions.



Yes. by gzt (2.00 / 0) #7 Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 01:35:44 PM EST
The ones listed in her article have no basis in fact and are diametrically opposed to known science. Coffee enemas will not cure cancer.

It certainly may be true that there are some which may be promising. Which alternative modalities do you have in mind?

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Alternative modalities by me0w (4.00 / 1) #9 Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 01:49:39 PM EST
Ones that immediately come to mind (because studies are sitting on my desk) are acupuncture, chiropractic, massage therapy, and herbal medicine (TCM).



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in my mind by bobdole (2.00 / 0) #15 Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 10:10:09 PM EST
they sort of cease being alternative the minute they can prove their  effect using the same science as the rest of us (which includes all of those you mention).

 
-- The revolution will not be televised.

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The reality by me0w (2.00 / 0) #22 Fri Apr 06, 2012 at 09:14:45 AM EST
They are still classified as CAM because they don't fit into the conventional medicine model.



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ERT training ? by sasquatchan (2.00 / 0) #6 Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 01:32:00 PM EST
Do you get a gun with the flashlight ?

alas, no. by gzt (2.00 / 0) #8 Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 01:36:49 PM EST
I get an orange vest and instructions on how to point toward a staircase and tell people not to carry stuff with them.

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like this one ? by sasquatchan (2.00 / 0) #10 Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 02:26:29 PM EST
http://www.ozone3d.net/public/jegx/201107/no_tweet_in_case_of_fire.jpg ?

We've got a second set of instructions on securing workplace and papers as well. yee haw.

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well, that's not covered in ERT training. by gzt (2.00 / 0) #11 Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 02:54:17 PM EST
all individuals need to know their own departmental policy on that issue and follow it.

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Send her an article on Steve Jobs by lm (4.00 / 1) #12 Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 06:04:40 PM EST
There are quite a few out there about how he died because he missed the window for real treatment because he tried alternative therapies first.

There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
There's a web-log called Science-Based Medicine... by gzt (4.00 / 1) #16 Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 10:10:39 PM EST
...which is actually slightly critical of people saying, "ZOMG Jobs totally killed himself by doing the alternative medicines". It points out that, while Jobs did himself no favors, he had a pretty shitty cancer that gave him low odds or something like that, and while he made the wrong decision, he may very well been boned either way.

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4, web-log. by the mariner (2.00 / 0) #18 Fri Apr 06, 2012 at 12:26:07 AM EST
years ago, i might have given a 6 for "b-log," though. 

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That's what I get for not reading past headlines by lm (2.00 / 0) #19 Fri Apr 06, 2012 at 05:59:34 AM EST
My understanding was that by trying alternatives for nine months, he pretty much guaranteed that he would die when he did.

But apparently there is more to the story.


There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
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died due to delays by wumpus (2.00 / 0) #17 Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 10:33:55 PM EST
treating pancreatic cancer? I'm pretty sure he had it over 1 year, and the 5 year survival rate is under 5%. Best guess he was trying something non-standard was that no standard treatment is sufficiently effective.

Wumpus

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I followed gzt's search tips by lm (2.00 / 0) #20 Fri Apr 06, 2012 at 07:33:09 AM EST
Apparently the article I was thinking of was written by a pediatrician who didn't understand how certain cancers work or what lead time bias was.

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/one-more-thing/


There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
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Forgive me quoting Tim Minchin by BadDoggie (4.00 / 1) #13 Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 08:12:44 PM EST
You know what we call alternative medicine which has been proven to work?
MEDICINE!

woof.

Jesus Christ you're a tool -- Dr Thrustgood

I've posted it before... by dmg (4.00 / 1) #14 Thu Apr 05, 2012 at 10:08:15 PM EST
But in this case "homeopathic A&E" warrants posting again.

It may also be worth pointing out the benefits of colonic cleansing to your relative. All that 'mucoid plaque' building up inside you cannot possibly be a good thing.
--
dmg - HuSi's most dimwitted overprivileged user.

Cover story? by Alan Crowe (4.00 / 1) #21 Fri Apr 06, 2012 at 08:21:20 AM EST
I assumed that the "medical benefits" of colonic irrigation were just a cover story for a sexual fetish. Having warm water squirted up there sounds a lot gentler than pegging and just as much fun. Yet the website you linked to seems sincere :-(

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