New EU cell phone

Android   6 votes - 75 %
Samsung   1 vote - 12 %
Win-7   1 vote - 12 %
WIPO   0 votes - 0 %
 
8 Total Votes
sugar spun is having you committed? by marvin (4.00 / 4) #1 Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 10:20:38 AM EST
The risks of marrying a mental health professional, I guess.

I think you undrestimate Caligula by lm (2.00 / 0) #2 Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 10:23:21 AM EST
This is a man who conquered THE SEA.

There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
He also genocided Dacia by BadDoggie (2.00 / 0) #50 Fri Dec 16, 2011 at 08:15:56 PM EST
I've been up close and personal (OK, not that personal) with the column.

Wiped. The fuck. Out.

woof.

Jesus Christ you're a tool -- Dr Thrustgood

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Android by ucblockhead (4.00 / 1) #3 Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 11:15:06 AM EST
You don't think you want a smart phone now, but having a good Android phone means having a general purpose computer in your pocket.  My Android "phone" is a critical device in my life and I never call anyone (or receive call.)

Don't by the Windows 7 thing unless you want a device with no apps that will be abandoned in a couple years.

US carriers are shit, but the phones are no different.  Also, the Japanese are all going gaga over iPhones and Android.
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I'm probably getting a new phone this summer by MillMan (2.00 / 0) #4 Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 12:03:00 PM EST
hmmmm.

"Just as there are no atheists in foxholes, there are no libertarians in financial crises." -Krugman

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keyboards by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #6 Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 12:10:01 PM EST
I have mixed feelings about physical keyboards.  They are nice, but the weight is annoying and when I had one I found I only pulled it out about a quarter of the time.

It depends a lot of you prefer landscape mode or portrait mode.
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I don't like them by MillMan (2.00 / 0) #7 Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 12:12:02 PM EST
it doesn't look like that phone has one though. Also moving parts = early life breakage.

"Just as there are no atheists in foxholes, there are no libertarians in financial crises." -Krugman

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that's weird by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #9 Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 12:22:41 PM EST
I think the add through me off.

That's just the next model of my phone, which I (mostly) love. 
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what are the things by MillMan (2.00 / 0) #10 Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 12:32:13 PM EST
you dislike?

"Just as there are no atheists in foxholes, there are no libertarians in financial crises." -Krugman

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Battery issues by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #15 Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 02:39:35 PM EST
The battery usage is variable and confusing.  Sometimes I end the day with 50% charge, sometimes with a dead phone, with no rhyme or reason.  Also, some apps seem to never want to die (in that they restart when killed) and suck batteries.  (Google maps is one.  Sometimes it just keeps restarting for no apparent reason.)

The carrier locked apps are mildly annoying, but can be ignored.  (Thanks, Sprint, for telling me once a month about the crap I'll never use.)

Other than that, the device is amazing.  The camera give pictures that are equal to a standard point-and-shoot.  The screen is huge (on the EVO at least) and the processor has no troubles with streaming video.  (And add in all the Android benefits.)
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Do you have BT turned on? by ammoniacal (2.00 / 0) #34 Sun Apr 17, 2011 at 12:36:12 AM EST
That would introduce an element of randomness.

"To this day that was the most bullshit caesar salad I have every experienced..." - triggerfinger

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nope. by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #38 Sun Apr 17, 2011 at 11:11:39 AM EST
Only when I need it.
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add? by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #14 Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 02:33:01 PM EST
I FAIL IT!
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i didn't take my laptop to coachella by aphrael (2.00 / 0) #49 Tue Apr 19, 2011 at 01:05:01 PM EST
and found myself reduced to reading email on the kindle. a smartphone might have solved that problem. but i don't wanna pay for a data plan.
If television is a babysitter, the internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up.
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The Colonies by jimgon (2.00 / 0) #5 Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 12:07:46 PM EST
Aren't you aware the colonies always lag behind the homeland?  Given our media attention directed toward the Royal Wedding it's quite obvious we are still subjects of the Crown.  God save the Queen!  Of course I do live in New England, so please don't consider my views reflective of the hillbillies or denizens of the Western Wastelands.




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Not really true for phones by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #8 Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 12:20:45 PM EST
Phones in the US don't lag at all.  Bear in mind that the manufacturers (with two exceptions) are all non-US anyway.
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In which year did you finally get SMS? by BadDoggie (2.00 / 0) #12 Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 01:26:52 PM EST
We had it in 1994-ish. My phone then was an Alcatel.

woof.

OMG WE'RE FUCKED! -- duxup ?

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Two things by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #16 Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 02:46:31 PM EST
  1. I never said the networks were any good.
  2. Holy 90s, batman, things have changed.  I've used my phone as a fucking heart-rate monitor. 
European and US cell phone hardware is identical.  I speak as someone who developed software for a major cellphone manufacturer based in Sweden and Japan who had prototype hardware on his desk for one of the major Android phone offerings in Europe six months before it launched.  The "smart phones" you buy in Europe are the same as in the US (and Japan, for that matter.)  The only differences are the networks they are locked to.  They are mostly feature equivalent.

The networks themselves aren't even that important anymore.  The only thing that matters is the data rate.  (Which is admittedly shit in the US.)
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1990-what? by BadDoggie (2.00 / 0) #18 Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 05:15:54 PM EST
The last time I heard anyone mention a service drop here was... 199?. We don't have them except for Telekom when you're on a 200mph train in the middle of a forest, except not even then anymore. Normally.

You get some trinkets and gadgets; how well do they actually work if you refuse to read the 37/40ths of the "license agreement"? Allow me to remind you of the difficulties of trans-oceanic DVD compatibility.

While the phones here can be nominally "locked", there's a Turkish (South) or Polish (North) guy who can remedy that inside 10 seconds for €5, and he has a legit cell phone store advertising this.

We can get into data rate another day -- you'll cry.

woof.

OMG WE'RE FUCKED! -- duxup ?

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Um...what? by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #20 Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 06:00:11 PM EST
Yes, the US networks suck.  I've heard more than you can imagine, what with Japanese and Swedish colleagues.  Want to know what they use?  More often than not, iPhones.  You talk about the phones in Japan being ten years ahead of everyone else...but that's 1999 talking.  Currently, the Japanese cell phone manufacturers are scrambling, because they are getting eaten alive in Japan by phones designed by Google and Apple.

As I've said repeatedly, there is no significant difference in hardware/software between the Android phones sold in the US, Europe and Japan.  None.  Same chipsets.  Same OS.  At worst, the devices have different carrier specific shovelware.  (This is not unique to the US market.  I know.  I have code in some such "special" software meant for the European market.)

You need to rearrange your view of what a "smart phone" is.  It isn't a phone with extra capabilities tacked on top.  It's a general purpose computer with a phone tacked on.  This isn't "some trinkets".  This is being able to download any of a 100,000 apps, written by many different people, not gated at all by the carrier or the device manufacturer.  These are not "region gated" in any sense.  Nor are the phones themselves.  I mean, really...I've bought apps, from my phone, from the "official" store, where the price was in euros or yen.  Plus, were talking about devices where non-"official" apps can be installed involves checking a checkbox in "settings".

I also own an unlocked phone, that is not even "nominally" locked.  (It's old and obsolete, true, so I know longer use it.)

Your commentary is locked in the pre-smartphone era.  It is just flat-out nonsensical when applied to the market as it stands today.
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'Phone tacked on' by BadDoggie (2.00 / 0) #22 Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 06:03:57 PM EST
Or bolted. Good point. We'll keep disagreeing about where the US is in the world timeline of cell phone-itude.

woof.

OMG WE'RE FUCKED! -- duxup ?

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Same as everywhere by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #23 Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 06:09:11 PM EST
As I keep saying, the same devices are being sold worldwide.

What you are claiming is like saying that computers in the US are behind those in Europe because the ISPs suck.

If you by an Android phone in Munich, the only difference it will have from the phones sold in the US or Japan is the carrier it talks to.  The only difference.
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The ONLY difference? by BadDoggie (2.00 / 0) #25 Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 09:14:11 PM EST
So nothing about charges for being called, receiving messages, privacy, caps and drops? What good is such a device if you can't keep connectivity?

You are trying to troll me and I don't think I like the taste of your bait, though I appreciate your previous comments. Not trying to be an ass right now but I specifically asked people in the EU market because of how differently shit works here. I had already been leaning toward Android despite the atrocious news which has been coming out over the past few weeks. And yes, I know the holes will be plugged.

My big question: how free (as in speech)?

woof.

OMG WE'RE FUCKED! -- duxup ?

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Jesus Christ you're a tool by Dr Thrustgood (4.00 / 2) #27 Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 09:24:45 PM EST
I love how you've changed your argument three times in a row, each time after getting a legitimate response from someone who works in the field... and after soliciting advice!

No wonder you're still stuck in support hell after all these years if this is the limit of your communication skills.

(yes: that's me starting two, separate arguments in one comment; god only knows how you'll cope)



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My wife mostly agrees with you by BadDoggie (4.00 / 1) #35 Sun Apr 17, 2011 at 02:13:12 AM EST
Which means you (and the others) are right and I'm being a cunt. Sorry. There's shit going on I really don't want to write/talk about right now.

Also, I'm not in support hell anymore.

Also, sigged.

Damn. Put in my place by Thrusty.

woof.

Jesus Christ you're a tool -- Dr Thrustgood ?

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"People in the EU market" by ucblockhead (4.00 / 1) #30 Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 11:41:42 PM EST
As I keep saying, I wrote software for a phone manufactured by a company based in Sweden that is sold in Europe.

I know EXACTLY how "differently shit works" there.  Perhaps you should stop ranting like it still the 2002 cellphone market and listen long enough to realize that things have changed.

I can tell you for an absolute fact that the phones sold by a large cellphone company whose initials are "SE" use the exact same hardware and exact same software (ignoring localization) in Japan, the US and Europe.  I have held this hardware in my hand.  I have seen the damn changelogs in the internal firmware releases!

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Oh, and for the record by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #32 Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 11:53:17 PM EST
My current plan has unlimited texting, unlimited data and 450 minutes talk time, which I have never gone over and so I've never spent a cent for "being called" or "receiving messages".  I have never had a dropped call with this phone.

The carriers here do suck, of course, but your view of the market here is very, very out of date, particularly as far as smart phones go.    And obviously the carrier has fuck all to do with the phone itself, at least for Android phones.
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See comment #35 by BadDoggie (2.00 / 0) #36 Sun Apr 17, 2011 at 02:21:20 AM EST
Didn't realise I was being that dickish. Sorry.

woof.

Jesus Christ you're a tool -- Dr Thrustgood

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An actual recommendation by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #33 Sun Apr 17, 2011 at 12:14:43 AM EST
Company loyalty should keep me from saying this, but I greatly prefer HTC's sense-UI to UI elements my company added.  The X ten* mini is pretty slick if you want something small, though.  A coworker swears by the thing.  I prefer the bigger screen.

* Obfuscated to avoid Google.
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Not really by lm (2.00 / 0) #29 Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 09:49:05 PM EST
All the points you try to make aren't about phones, but about the networks. And ucb has already conceded that the networks in the US suck.

ISTM that if you're disagreement is really about phones, then all you need to do is point to a single handset available in Europe or Asia that is 10 years ahead of anything offered in the US.


There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
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Yerpian networks are learning to suck too by Merekat (2.00 / 0) #42 Mon Apr 18, 2011 at 05:54:09 AM EST
IIRC only Belgium and Italy initially required the sale of non-contract iPhones - the other countries allowed the providers to tie you into contracts which may or may not have been favourable. All providers I am aware of currently are trying to make you pay extra for tethering if they can. Vodaphone in both the UK and Ireland have been trying to restrict features usable except by getting a premium service. Decent pricing structures esp. for data are also far from uniform over the european market. Regulation of roaming charges inside the EU is quite nice though for calls.

In other words, I think it has been a while since Mr. Canine went phone or phone contract shopping.

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Not to mention the increase in contract lengths. by ambrosen (2.00 / 0) #43 Mon Apr 18, 2011 at 07:40:45 AM EST
The first time I bought a smart[-as-of-2001]phone it cost £500 without contract, or £200 with a 12 month £20 a month contract. My current phone had very similar numbers, too: £140 for the £5-600 value phone, plus £20 a month for a 24 month contract.

The phone subsidy effectively takes the whole cost of the contract, leaving any outside the bundle charges to actually pay for network costs. The whole economics of it is wrong, wrong, wrong. The outside the bundle charges I've incurred in the past year or so: a few pounds for a data overage one month, £30 for data in the EU (even taking advantage of bundling), £40 for not realising roaming calls outside the EU but inside Europe were charged per minute (I did know they'd gone from 2007's 10p a minute up to £1.30 a minute), and however much I've spent sending international texts while at home - normally I only text friends who don't live in the UK while I'm elsewhere in the EU.

My point: I'd just like to pay something vaguely proportionate to usage. And access to a femtocell, too, because I don't expect a good signal at home without one because of the geography (very hilly) and architecture (thick stone) where I live.

Oh yes, and if I must have a transparent proxy on http, which apparently is a legal child protection requirement, I'd rather a) it worked all the time and b) it didn't class http://saynoto0870.com as an adult site when all it does is reduce call costs.

Incoherent rant over.

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Filtering by Herring (2.00 / 0) #46 Mon Apr 18, 2011 at 11:51:46 AM EST
Not a legal requirement. They have to remove it if you ask - although they can ask you to prove you are over 18 despite the fact you have signed a fucking credit contract with them. Allegedly some providers are more arseholish about this than others.

I believe I can browse porn on my phone. Never really tried though. Maybe later.

You can't inspire people with facts
- Small Gods

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Not so much that I can't, by ambrosen (2.00 / 0) #47 Mon Apr 18, 2011 at 11:55:33 AM EST
but that the filter is a) enabled by default and b) had a financially convenient false positive. It's also still on even after you do call them to say you're a deviant.

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That is, the proxy's still on. by ambrosen (2.00 / 0) #48 Mon Apr 18, 2011 at 11:56:29 AM EST
Even if they're not filtering.

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Android by Merekat (2.00 / 0) #11 Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 01:05:53 PM EST
I have to say I dislike the Android UI. There seem to be too may possible ways of doing something and I invariably choose the wrong one. I have an iphone. I do not hate it.

I sincerely hope you avoid death. by toxicfur (2.00 / 0) #13 Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 01:51:25 PM EST
In terms of phones, I quite like my Android phone (I have the Motorola Droid X). I'm sure I could do more with it than I do, but for web surfing, texting, taking (and sending) pictures, email, and even the occasional phone call, it's kind of ideal. I find I really like the SWYPE keyboard -- it's much easier for me than the iPhone touchscreen keyboard. The Droid X also big enough and sturdy enough that I haven't killed it yet by dropping it or sitting on it or whatever.
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The amount of suck that you can put up with can be mind-boggling, but it only really hits you when it then ceases to suck. -- Kellnerin
I really wouldn't get a Windows Phone by jump the ladder (2.00 / 0) #17 Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 05:14:11 PM EST
At the moment it's at the Vista/Windows ME stage. I'm sure next year they wil get better. Android is your best bet if you really can't stand Apple or it's too pricey.

Windows phones by ucblockhead (4.00 / 1) #21 Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 06:02:31 PM EST
Assuming that they don't kill the project in three years.  They've lately had a habit of making big splashes with these sorts of devices only to kill the project in a couple of years.  "Windows 7" has a good shot at being the next "Zune".  (That is, technically good, but a market failure.)  What's worse, Microsoft has a very long track record of screwing early adopters. 
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I'd love to know what they're like to develop for by Dr Thrustgood (2.00 / 0) #28 Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 09:27:43 PM EST
(obviously without doing the hard work first ;))

The last time I did any mobile development was when BREW (for the USian marketing at least) was the main buzzword. I recently starting developing a toy app for Android - my how times have changed. Definitely confusing at first - why is it so non-intuitive to set the default screen after a user's exited the app and then clicked the back button a couple of times? - and if MS have a nice way of setting these things... well, it'd be nice ;)



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Android is nice by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #31 Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 11:45:24 PM EST
It's easy to get something up quick, as long as you stick with Google's general look-and-feel.  There are some bizarre things to get used to based on the different UI paradigm.  Also, the fact that the OS can basically kill your process at any time makes things "fun".

We've been moving to the NDK, which is the C++ API, which is supposedly eventually going to be as fully featured as the Java one.  We're actually doing OpenGL coding on the thing, which still blows me away.

It also helps to be a Google "partner".
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Allegedly HTC's are good. by Breaker (2.00 / 0) #19 Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 05:47:42 PM EST
But I've not used one, so take that more as a "have a look at" rather than a "go and buy one".

Best of luck with the white clothing place.


iPhone. by dmg (2.00 / 0) #24 Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 08:28:43 PM EST
Nothing else comes close to the iPhone experience.
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Really? by BadDoggie (2.00 / 0) #26 Sat Apr 16, 2011 at 09:18:07 PM EST
Not even being dressed in a gimp suit, bent over a pit of alligators and violated by a guy wearing a condom made of glass shards? Because that's what doing anything with crApple looks like to me. YMMV.

woof.

OMG WE'RE FUCKED! -- duxup ?

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Why all the hate for Apple? by jump the ladder (4.00 / 1) #37 Sun Apr 17, 2011 at 02:41:28 AM EST
If you're willing to buy a Windows phone, it can't be on corporate behaviour or openness.

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Actually, by Herring (2.00 / 0) #41 Sun Apr 17, 2011 at 04:15:31 PM EST
he may be misguided and insane but he has a point. All the people I know who've got iPhones/Pads/stuff have turned obsessive. All the time it's like "and then if you stroke the screen like ... hang on I'll just charge it" and I'm "well I cycled 70 miles through the lanes of Surrey and Sussex on a glorious summer day. Saw some fantastic scenery and .." and they're "Here, if you pinch the screen like that and the picture and ..."

I see it as a device that does a bunch of stuff that I don't want to do very efficiently and elegantly.

The people who are on the drug keep trying to persuade me to join them - which another dangerous sign.

Also who needs a farting app when you've got Champix.

You can't inspire people with facts
- Small Gods

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Best phone I've ever had. by dmg (2.00 / 0) #39 Sun Apr 17, 2011 at 12:25:18 PM EST
Still, maybe android is better. LOL. 
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Samsung are Android or Win 7 by ambrosen (2.00 / 0) #40 Sun Apr 17, 2011 at 02:42:56 PM EST
or maybe Bada, but not very much at all.

Might be worth a look at Nokia's E7, which I quite like the look of, but that's because I've been using Symbian on my phones since back in the day when it was still Epoc. Please not that that also was the last time I owned an Ericsson phone.

Re: last paragraph/sentance by FlightTest (2.00 / 0) #44 Mon Apr 18, 2011 at 10:35:53 AM EST
Please to not be dying.  There is FAR too much of that happening right now, plus you are very important in a couple people's lives.  And lots of people here think you're pretty groovy too.  Also, yes, those buildings are very dangerous, there are sick people there and all kinds of not-so-lovely viruses/bacteria as well.


Android by duxup (2.00 / 0) #45 Mon Apr 18, 2011 at 11:15:02 AM EST
Go with an Android phone.  Preferably one you can root so that you can use tethering for free if needed.
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