Best religion mentioned?

Christianity   1 vote - 12 %
Greco-Roman polytheism   2 votes - 25 %
Islam   2 votes - 25 %
Judaism   3 votes - 37 %
8 Total Votes
very nice by clover kicker (4.00 / 1) #1 Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 02:21:55 PM EST
I look forward to the 3-part miniseries on the Discovery Channel, narrated by Tony Robinson.

+1; FP by ammoniacal (4.00 / 3) #2 Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 02:45:36 PM EST
Speaking of MeFi, that sidebarred story about the motorcycle is damned near technian-quality wordsmithing. Almost makes me want to register.

"To this day that was the most bullshit caesar salad I have every experienced..." - triggerfinger

don't waste the 5 bucks. by dev trash (2.00 / 0) #10 Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 10:47:55 PM EST
It's a great read-only site.

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My invisible knapsack and I would be by ammoniacal (2.00 / 0) #11 Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 11:01:45 PM EST
permabanned inside of twelve hours. You're right, it'd be a money pit.

"To this day that was the most bullshit caesar salad I have every experienced..." - triggerfinger

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Stuff is complex by duxup (4.00 / 1) #3 Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 02:52:23 PM EST
It kind of stinks how that is, stuff being complex all the time :(

Fucking Inscrutable Logos by CheeseburgerBrown (2.00 / 0) #25 Sun Nov 21, 2010 at 11:41:47 AM EST
Excellent! by ni (4.00 / 1) #4 Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 03:02:15 PM EST
A fine piece of work.

"These days it seems like sometimes dreams of Italian hyper-gonadism are all a man's got to keep him going." -- CRwM
VS2FP by garlic (4.00 / 1) #5 Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 03:54:36 PM EST

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Plus! by Scrymarch (2.00 / 0) #8 Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 08:11:33 PM EST
The split between temple and rabbinical Judaism, Islam 1200-present, ...

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At their core, by technician (4.00 / 1) #7 Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 05:23:41 PM EST
aren't all religions just a set of hygiene laws? I forget where I first heard that...I was very young at the time, and going to a number of churches and whatnot, trying out other religions, and someone said this. I've heard it since in popular media somewhere.

That took a lot of the unprovable magic out of the whole set of systems for me; everything that wasn't hygienic was political.

Seems to be my take too by bobdole (4.00 / 2) #9 Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 10:42:51 PM EST
I suppose it's my way of rationalising the madness in religion, but a lot of what today is irrational can be traced back to "best practice" for survival way back when.

I suppose it is the lack of updating these best practices that I take issue with...
-- The revolution will not be televised.

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Application to Buddhism by Alan Crowe (4.00 / 1) #12 Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 06:38:56 AM EST
Meditation is mental hygiene. You are trying to wash the memes out of your brain, stopping the repetitive, crufty thoughts, much as soap and water tries to wash the germs off your hands.

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at their core? by fleece (4.00 / 1) #13 Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 08:32:56 AM EST
it might be truer that they "boil down to" a series of frameworks for living, which includes hygiene in all senses of the word.

For a culture in isolation, the concept of "religion" makes no sense whatsoever. There's no way to discern between religious and non-religious beliefs, religous and non-religious practices, etc. It's only when comparing beliefs and practices between cultures does it stop being conceptually absurd.

Even with context it can be quite difficult to define in practice. Think of a marriage rite for example. Where is the divide between religious rite and social custom?

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I don't think there is a core as such by TheophileEscargot (4.00 / 1) #17 Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 03:21:03 PM EST
I think "religion" is more of conceptual bin where we pile together diverse elements. But none of those elements is essential. Buddhists have a religion without a belief in God. The Greco-Roman pagans had a religion without a moral/ethical system. Traditional Judaism had a religion without an afterlife.

Ritual purity laws are certainly an important part of many religions: Hinduism, Judaism and Islam for instance.

But I think it can be too simplistic to say they're all about "hygiene". A lot of purity laws have nothing obvious to do with hygiene: wearing clothes made from different threads, only eating animals with cloven hooves. And while it's easy enough to make up just-so stories explaining that the rules have origins in health reasons, it's hard to actually prove.

For example, it's often said that the ban on eating pork is because pigs were particularly prone to parasites. But look at the Gadarene Swine for instance: gentiles living in the same area at the same time as Jesus must have been eating pork for them to bother raising pigs. The Chinese domesticated pigs for food in prehistory. Those groups managed to eat pork and survive.

I think there are other factors as well. Being fussy about food can be a handy way to display status. Maybe someone in prehistory started to show off "Hey look, I'm so rich I can turn my nose up at perfectly edible food", and everyone else ended up following rather than look poor or weird? Or maybe it's a good way of reinforcing social bonds and group identity by making everyone eat together.
It is unlikely that the good of a snail should reside in its shell: so is it likely that the good of a man should?

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OMFG by ammoniacal (2.00 / 0) #18 Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 06:59:31 PM EST
I recently got into a lengthy debate with a former HuSian over the "Buddhism is a religion" statement. I think I won (it is), thanks to some substantive pointers from Wikipaedia.

Cool story, bro.

"To this day that was the most bullshit caesar salad I have every experienced..." - triggerfinger

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that's just stupid by gzt (2.00 / 0) #19 Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 10:56:56 PM EST
how could anybody not believe buddhism is a religion? was it because it's not "theistic"?

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It's a "personal philosophy." by ammoniacal (2.00 / 0) #20 Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 12:17:32 AM EST
That said, I'm a live and let live kind of guy and I appreciate her canastas, so I let it go in short order.

"To this day that was the most bullshit caesar salad I have every experienced..." - triggerfinger

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I've heard that claim about many religions by lm (4.00 / 1) #21 Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 08:49:56 AM EST
X is not a religion, X is a way of life.

I usually hear it from gung-ho converts but sometimes people raised from the cradle believing in X will hold the same view.

There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
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yes, it's kind of silly. by gzt (2.00 / 0) #22 Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 10:19:18 AM EST
It's hard to articulate at times why Stoicism, as typically meant, is not really a religion while Buddhism, as typically meant, is.

Really, the question eventually becomes more about what Buddhism really is. Historically, it's pretty obviously a religion. However, it's popular, especially in the West, to take a few ideas from its philosophy, incorporate it into your lifestyle, etc etc. One is then not practicing the religion as such, but is one Buddhist? Can one then say Buddhism is not a religion? I'd say to them, yes, it is, shut your gab.

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Excellent post by brokkr (2.00 / 0) #14 Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 01:17:43 PM EST
"78 Husi users have viewed this."

I didn't even know there were that many.
Deyr fé, deyja frændr, deyr sjalfr it sama,
ek veit einn, at aldrei deyr: dómr um dau∂an hvern.

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The other 53% are his smarty ones. by mrgoat (4.00 / 1) #24 Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 02:16:57 PM EST

--top hat--
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Don't forget Albania! by ammoniacal (2.00 / 0) #15 Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 02:03:47 PM EST
Also, I didn't know Saladin was a Kurd. Surprising to me, considering how destitute the region is today.

"To this day that was the most bullshit caesar salad I have every experienced..." - triggerfinger

Excellent - some top quotes by Phage (4.00 / 1) #23 Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 10:36:31 AM EST
I now have an image of the Patriarch and the Pope in a bar eyeing each other...

VS2FP by Breaker (2.00 / 0) #26 Tue Feb 22, 2011 at 06:05:55 AM EST
Just add a bit extra on how bloodthirsty each religion is for the souls of the /not-my-religion/, and you've nearly enough for a book.  Also - European paganism, Scandies and so on.

One book I'd not hesitate to buy, I might add.