Weight graph should be in stones   2 votes - 28 %
Weight graph should be in pounds   2 votes - 28 %
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Amazon is less evil   2 votes - 28 %
Mcmillan is less evil   0 votes - 0 %
Both are equally evil   4 votes - 57 %
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(Comment Deleted) by xth (4.00 / 3) #1 Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 05:36:45 AM EST

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PJs by Merekat (4.00 / 1) #3 Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 08:09:14 AM EST
PJs and slippers are what the UK has instead of heating and insulation.

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Books not for sale by duxup (4.00 / 1) #2 Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 07:58:05 AM EST
Well with the ipad and all...

I bought myself a pair of fleece lined moccasin by georgeha (4.00 / 1) #4 Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 08:40:48 AM EST
LL Bean slippers, they're awesome for the winter. I do have to do out on snow covered porches often.

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jerry by dev trash (4.00 / 1) #7 Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 12:12:50 PM EST
would love it.  He was much a capitalist as the next guy.

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Amazon by ucblockhead (4.00 / 1) #6 Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 11:48:31 AM EST
Note that that constraint goes out the window if they become dominant.  (See the way Wal-mart was able to make demands of the music industry before Apple took the market, and see how Apple can make such demands now.)
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I don't think as much by TheophileEscargot (2.00 / 0) #8 Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 01:30:53 PM EST
Because in the case of e-books in particular, Amazon is in competition with the publishers. If Amazon jacks up the price of Kindle books to absurd levels, the publisher has an incentive to produce their own e-books. That would give Amazon an incentive to cut their prices. There could be an equilibrium.

If the publisher holds the monopoly, there's no competition at all. You want the latest Harry Potter, they just have to decide how much to gouge you.

Moreover, in the current dispute it seems that Macmillan is the one wanting to raise the prices. I don't buy Stross' argument that they want to "raise the price of some and lower the price of others".

I remember going into CD shops before the MP3 revolution. If you wanted a new chart rock/pop/rap album, it was £15. If you wanted a Jazz album by a well-known artist like Miles Davis, it was £15. If you wanted a classical CD from an orchestra and conductor you'd heard of, it was £15. There were £5 CDs, but they were things like cover versions of greatest Show Tunes of the 1950s: stuff people would only buy because they wanted a "bargain". That seems to me more likely to be the pricing model that Macmillan are aiming for.

I'm also pretty skeptical about his fairy story about them lowering the price like they do from hardback to paperback, but far more gradually. Hardbacks are a bigger, more substantial item: people can feel they're getting more value for paying more money. I think they just want to keep charging more for e-books than paper books, and keep them DRM'd up the arse too.

So, while I think Amazon are still pretty evil, they're the lesser evil in this case. You get a duopoly not a monopoly on each book, and they have an incentive to keep e-books cheap since they're making money on the Kindle hardware.
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"monopoly" by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #9 Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 03:28:28 PM EST
Copyright law is entirely based on the idea that the publishers have a monopoly...it's what makes them profitable.  It's also what allows them to handle the demand curve.

The idea that lowering the price for paperback items is hardly a fairy story.  You can go to Sony's store and buy many Tor published ebooks for less than $8 right now. 

Whether hardbacks are more substantial is really irrelevant.  If you really want to force the analogy, it'd be like Amazon saying "We want to charge $10 for paperbacks the day the hard back is released" while Macmillan is saying "if you want to make paperbacks available the day the hard back is released, you must charge at least $15 bucks".

Macmillan certainly wants to charge lots for new stuff and drop the price on the backlist.  This is precisely because the backlist has recouped its costs and therefore they can profit at a lower price point.  If Amazon successfully forces fixed pricing, it means that a given book will have to sell more copies to recoup costs.  This means that book publishing will be inherently riskier, which is very bad for midlist authors.  (The sorts who write the books I personally read.)

Your free market argument ignores the Kindle effect.  If Amazon is willing to sell at a loss and recoup with Kindle sales, there's no way a publisher can directly compete as they have no place to recoup when selling at a loss.  (What they can do is threaten to refuse to sell ebooks to Amazon in the first place, which is exactly what they did.)
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