Favorite book that ends in O

Zero   1 vote - 50 %
Jingo   0 votes - 0 %
wipo   0 votes - 0 %
Story of O   1 vote - 50 %
Crito   0 votes - 0 %
Inferno   0 votes - 0 %
 
2 Total Votes
WIPO by ad hoc (2.00 / 0) #1 Thu Sep 10, 2009 at 08:46:14 AM EST
Story of O

You, of all people, to leave that one out!
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Good catch by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #2 Thu Sep 10, 2009 at 08:53:37 AM EST
though the subject doesn't hold a lot of interest to me.


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So I understand Japanese culture is great by marvin (2.00 / 0) #3 Thu Sep 10, 2009 at 09:02:40 AM EST
Ancient, dignified, tea ceremony, samurai code, etc.

What other great culture did they happen to clash with in WWII? The Chinese, certainly, but that was more of a steamrollering.

Vietnamese, English, American by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #4 Thu Sep 10, 2009 at 09:04:37 AM EST
I would not dare suggest the great Warrior Culture of the Japanese could be subdued by anything other than a correspondingly great culture.


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Big guns and atomic bombs? by Phil the Canuck (2.00 / 0) #6 Thu Sep 10, 2009 at 11:01:15 AM EST


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No, bulldozers by georgeha (4.00 / 2) #9 Thu Sep 10, 2009 at 11:07:33 AM EST
as Stephenson alluded to in Cryptonmicon, and as Okumiya said in Zero.

The Japs were unable to make airbases as quickly as the SeaBees, since the SeaBees were mechanized, and the Japs had pick and shovel. Thus, the Japanese conducting air ops over Guadalcanal had to fly from Rabaul, hours and hours away, and they lost many pilots due to running out of gas on the way home. If they were able to make airbases between the two, Guadalcanal would have been much more difficult for the Allies.


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The Dutch, by God. by ammoniacal (2.00 / 0) #13 Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 01:01:21 AM EST
There is no finer trim on this rock.

"To this day that was the most bullshit caesar salad I have every experienced..." - triggerfinger

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Japanese names by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #5 Thu Sep 10, 2009 at 10:11:09 AM EST
I'm not sure you can say much about Japanese name matches.  There are a lot of names that are as common as "Smith" in the English speaking world.  For instance, I have two entirely unrelated coworkers named "Kawakami", and the example names used in Japanese class keep coinciding with other coworker names.

It's also my understanding that you can have two different names that are pronounced the same, but use different characters and thus are not the same, and have differing etymologies.

In terms of the war, I think the big thing was that Japan had never in its history experienced a large strategic war.  In its history with the West prior to WWII, it only participated in wars in which it could manhandle its opponents, or achieve a quick victory.  There are specifics about what Japan did wrong or didn't understand, but I think the general cause was that Japan had never, in its 2000 year history, lost a war.  I think that, psychologically, they couldn't conceive of it.
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[ucblockhead is] useless and subhuman

No Kawakami's by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #7 Thu Sep 10, 2009 at 11:02:05 AM EST
but Takahashi showed up, which wiki sez is pretty common.


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Aleutian Zero by anonimouse (2.00 / 0) #8 Thu Sep 10, 2009 at 11:02:21 AM EST
IIRC the Aleutian Zero provided a great deal of information concerning tactics against the Zero. Whilst the Hellcat was probably designed without the information from the Zero, its possible that the engine upgrade prior to production may have been influenced by analysis of zero performance. 

I notice from a browse that even the F4F got good results against Zeros once tactics changed,


Girls come and go but a mortgage is for 25 years -- JtL
The Flying Tigers learned to fight Zeros by georgeha (2.00 / 0) #10 Thu Sep 10, 2009 at 11:15:57 AM EST
and other Japanese planes by early 1942(maybe they just copied Russki tactics) by diving, shooting and running away, not dogfighting. The Thach Weave as first tested in combat at Midway.

I do like that the Zeros' performance was initially regarded as impossible. IIRC, in a Smithsonian Air & Space article on it, the designer (probably Horikoshi) was not happy with his initial design, so he retested the materials he was going to use (wiki sez they used a proprietary Aluminum alloy ,too) and found some materials were better than the material handbooks suggested.


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Midway by johnny (2.00 / 0) #11 Thu Sep 10, 2009 at 12:10:30 PM EST
As I think I remember reading somewhere, the very slow torpedo bombers from Midway Island itself, although they were actually trying to deliver torpedoes against Japanese vessels, ended up serving as decoys, drawing the Zeroes down from where they were circling above the fleet. All but one of the torpedo planes was shot down, and only one of them successfully delivered a bomb. But as a result, many of the Zeroes themselves got show down when the American fighters from aircraft carriers showed up above the fray, unnoticed.

Something like that?

She has effectively checked out. She's an un-person of her own making. So it falls to me.--ad hoc (in the hole)

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More or less by georgeha (4.00 / 1) #12 Thu Sep 10, 2009 at 12:20:47 PM EST
My knowledge of Midway is not great, and it was more luck than it appeared.

The incoming torpedo bombers drew most or all of the overhead Zero's down to sea level to fight them. Way up high some US Navy dive bombers were running out of fuel, and through a break in the clouds saw a Japanese destroyer's wake, which led to the Carriers, which unluckily happened to have decks and hangars full of loaded planes, and various bombs and such that were improperly stowed (since the Japanese kept switching their planes missions from shore bombardment to anti-ship, or vice versa).

Enough USN dive bombers struck the Japanese carriers, which were in very unsafe states, to sink them.

On the whole Japan did not prepare for total war side, lots of skilled Japanese pilots and ground crews died, more than their replacement system could replace, so the Japanese skill level dropped.


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Victory by miker2 (2.00 / 0) #14 Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 08:58:11 AM EST
I live about 10 minutes from their brewery.  Great stuff although they only bottle and distribute ~1/3 of the varieties they brew.  So far I've had 16 of them and I haven't even tried any of the darker beers.


Ah, sociopathy. How warm, how comforting, thy sweet embrace. - MNS
WIPO: it's a tossup by lm (2.00 / 0) #15 Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 09:45:23 AM EST
Plato's Crito or one of Dante's big three (The Inferno, The Purgatorio,  and The Paradiso).

Also, there is a slim little book that I'm rather fond of simply for it's title. I don't remember who its by but the title was something like `What you know may not be so'' which is an absolutely brilliant title hearkening back to days of yore when works had better names such as ``The Refutation of the Knowledge-Falsely-So-Called'' and ``The Incoherence of the Incoherence of the Incoherence of Philosophy.''


There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
speed of production by garlic (2.00 / 0) #16 Sun Sep 13, 2009 at 10:54:12 AM EST
speed of design to production in wwii really impresses me compared to our current defense design to production time lines.