Doomed unless they change   7 votes - 87 %
It's too late, a new party will rise   1 vote - 12 %
You just wait, the public will wake up and Republicans will ride again!   0 votes - 0 %
8 Total Votes
No! 40 million illegals! Socialism by georgeha (4.00 / 1) #1 Fri Aug 07, 2009 at 11:37:53 AM EST
Government get yours hands off Medicare!

First I was "hmmm" Then I LOLed. n/t by Gedvondur (2.00 / 0) #2 Fri Aug 07, 2009 at 11:38:46 AM EST

"...I almost puked like a pregnant StackyMcRacky." --MillMan
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No! Tyranny! ObamasPlan White Slavery by georgeha (4.00 / 1) #3 Fri Aug 07, 2009 at 11:44:56 AM EST
The American Taxpayers are the Jews for Obama's Ovens!

Sadly, there's more, and it looks real.

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There are a lot of nutjobs out there by MillMan (4.00 / 2) #4 Fri Aug 07, 2009 at 11:52:31 AM EST
but golly, why don't the dkoers worry about policy, rather than endlessly jerking off to America's finest retards?

"Just as there are no atheists in foxholes, there are no libertarians in financial crises." -Krugman

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That's boring by georgeha (4.00 / 1) #5 Fri Aug 07, 2009 at 11:56:21 AM EST
though if a town hall meeting can't work because the protestors won't shut up, I can understand the frustration and desire to do something.

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They by Gedvondur (2.00 / 0) #6 Fri Aug 07, 2009 at 11:57:52 AM EST
They are just piling on after eight years of Bush.  Mind you I agree, they should switch it up.

That being said, the problem here isn't the Democrats.  Its the Republicans who need to get their shit together.


"...I almost puked like a pregnant StackyMcRacky." --MillMan
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From Krugman by wiredog (4.00 / 1) #7 Fri Aug 07, 2009 at 02:40:34 PM EST
The the NY Times:
For the most part, the protesters appear to be genuinely angry. The question is, what are they angry about?

There was a telling incident at a town hall held by Representative Gene Green, D-Tex. An activist turned to his fellow attendees and asked if they "oppose any form of socialized or government-run health care." Nearly all did. Then Representative Green asked how many of those present were on Medicare. Almost half raised their hands.

Now, people who don’t know that Medicare is a government program probably aren’t reacting to what President Obama is actually proposing. ... they’re probably reacting less to what Mr. Obama is doing, or even to what they’ve heard about what he’s doing, than to who he is.

That is, the driving force behind the town hall mobs is probably the same cultural and racial anxiety that’s behind the "birther" movement, which denies Mr. Obama’s citizenship.

Lots of good comments about this at The Atlantic

Earth First!
(We can strip mine the rest later.)

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Keep the governments hands off Medicare by georgeha (4.00 / 1) #8 Fri Aug 07, 2009 at 02:56:26 PM EST
You think that would be an urban legend, but apparently it's true.

I reckon the right wing media must be spreading the euthenasia meme.

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Didn't the tories go off the deep end by wiredog (4.00 / 1) #9 Fri Aug 07, 2009 at 03:01:43 PM EST
for a few years before they recovered?

Earth First!
(We can strip mine the rest later.)

In a big way by Scrymarch (2.00 / 0) #12 Sat Aug 08, 2009 at 12:48:10 AM EST
They were a joke for the first two Blair terms. Could barely get a seat outside of the English home counties. Went through three leaders, two of which were disrailed by the party not having its shit together, and one who just never seemed to cut it at the top level.

The Political Science Department of the University of Woolloomooloo

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Last month I was thinking similar thoughts by lm (4.00 / 1) #10 Fri Aug 07, 2009 at 07:23:05 PM EST
But more recently it struck me that perhaps the left is projecting its biases onto the center. I want to believe that the hard right is screwing themselves into irrelevancy. But I suspect that a fair number of votes for Obama were really protest votes against the Bush administration and the Bush administration is now out of the picture.

The right did the very same thing with regards to assuming that all of America was on their side in 2004. They got gollywumped in 2006 and 2008. Unless Obama can start to articulate more clearly what he actually stands for, the Dems might see a repeat of 1980 if the GOP can find a charismatic candidate.

The irony of all of this is that Obama is pretty close to being a centrist rather than a leftist. And yet the right is very successful at painting him as a leftist and in recent polls the independents seem to be losing their appreciation for him.

There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
Certainly by Gedvondur (2.00 / 0) #11 Fri Aug 07, 2009 at 11:38:04 PM EST
I don't expect Obama's fairy tale ride to continue.  I even HOPE the Republicans make modest gains in the interim elections. 

That being said, those that protest vote against Bush need the Republicans to present someone to turn to.  So far, all they are offering is more Bush without an actual Bush.  The Republicans are selling the same shit they have been selling since 2000, but the public isn't buying anymore.  In some ways it is sad.  The Republicans message is so clear and so well articulated.  Its too bad its not the message 70%+ of Americans want to hear anymore.  When you have policy failure and get a couple of bad election defeats, its time to look at the message again.

Obama is a centrist, I do believe that.  I don't think that there are that many real liberals left.  Politics since Reagan have taken such a hard turn right that what used to be a centrist opinion is now liberal in some quarters.  

As far as Obama articulating what he stands for, I don't think his vision is so limited as to take a single stance.  I think he will stand for a number of things, and right now its the right to affordable health care.  Next year, it may be something different.  I know that there are a lot of folks out there that expected IMMEDIATE action for their support of Obama, but they gotta wait.  It's only been six months and you can only spend political capital so fast or you will lose it all.  People need to be patient.  The ship of State does not turn quickly or easily.


"...I almost puked like a pregnant StackyMcRacky." --MillMan
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I disagree on one thing by theboz (2.00 / 0) #13 Sat Aug 08, 2009 at 02:01:21 AM EST
Stop pissing off the Latinos.  I know you all want one big White America, but lets look at reality here.  The Latinos are largely religious and largely conservative.  They should be a NATURAL for the GOP.  Yet you allow the wishes of your crazy white religious "base" to drive the party to borderline racism.  Look at G.W. Bush's Texas gubernatorial races.  W knew he had to have the Latino vote and even during his Presidency he was against crazy anti-immigration legislation because even that dumb asshole KNEW the Latinos were important.

In my experience, I've not really found this to be true.  You don't really find anyone who is "religious" in the American sense outside of our country and extreme Islamic nations like Saudi Arabia.  They are also much more "socialist" in their views than most Americans.  Maybe they can be more conservative on some social issues, but even then, it depends on where they are from and what type of society they grew up on.  Realistically, the only conservative latinos I've met are those who were born and raised in the U.S. and have no close connection to any other nation.
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