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No Country For Old Men ending?

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No Country For Old Men by spacejack (4.00 / 2) #1 Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 01:30:59 PM EST

= Shaggy Dog Story.

subtitles and Shakespeare by gzt (4.00 / 1) #2 Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 01:58:23 PM EST

I find subtitles on Shakespeare helpful because, while I don't have much trouble following the written dialogue (save for occasional obscure words) due to my familiarity with early modern and late middle English (and etymology), I'm not used to hearing them spoken in real time. Pronunciation obscures orthography which obscures etymology on the more difficult ones.

For similar reasons, I found watching French movies with the French subtitles on helpful back in the days when I still spoke a little French - these days, it would be a hopelessly useless endeavour. Of course, I also found that subtitles excise a lot of dialogue, even in the original tongue.

Anyways, that's what your diary forced me to discuss.

Richard III by ad hoc (4.00 / 2) #3 Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 02:32:36 PM EST

I agree. I thought he McKellen version was great.

Reading: Joke's Over on your recommendation. So far, so good.
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I don't think I've read Joke's Over by TheophileEscargot (2.00 / 0) #4 Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 02:41:01 PM EST

Must have been someone else.
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: I stand corrected by ad hoc (4.00 / 1) #5 Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 04:40:36 PM EST

I guess it was clock
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Pistol trigger actions by DullTrev (4.00 / 1) #6 Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 08:44:19 AM EST

I always feel this kind of disconnect when I read these things. I mean, I know in certain parts of the world (darker, heathen parts, without the light of being part of Britain) these things are perfectly normal. In those areas, it makes sense to have these sort of primers, and reviews, and suchlike, just as you would with any other piece of machinery. But when I read them, I just think it is weird, surreal, and vaguely disturbing.

Bit like the US, really.

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Don't go to the box of truth then by georgeha (4.00 / 1) #8 Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 12:36:27 PM EST

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Doubleplusgood by R Mutt (4.00 / 1) #11 Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 05:14:58 AM EST

Pistols were only banned in 1996/1997 in response to the post-Dunblane moral panic.

In only 12 years you have completely internalized a piece of knee-jerk legislation as an intrinsic attribute of Britishness.

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Not really by DullTrev (2.00 / 0) #12 Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 05:22:47 AM EST

I'd have been 18, then. And I already thought people who were interested in pistols were weird.

More relevantly, though, the sale and use of pistols in the UK was to a very, very small niche. It never had pretensions of mass market appeal, unlike the sale of weapons in the US, which leads to this type of consumer type information. It's that which I find weird.

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I think it was reasonably popular by R Mutt (2.00 / 0) #13 Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 08:14:00 AM EST

Pretty much every University had a shooting club. Maybe because it takes place on ranges away from public view people didn't perceive it much.

But I suspect if, say, they banned basketball after some kind of gangsta-rap scare, in a few years time you'd regard its practioners as similarly un-British.

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: Really? by DullTrev (2.00 / 0) #14 Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 08:51:24 AM EST

I don't have any figures, and, as I said, part of it may have been my age at the time.

And I already think of basketball players as un-British...

A better example may be this idea of banning 'samurai' swords, which is likely to capture some of teh historical re-enactment crowd. That is a bunch of people I think of as being weird, but also as representing a rather British eccentricity.

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Nothing on East Asian pirates in that one? by Scrymarch (4.00 / 1) #7 Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 10:06:41 AM EST

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There's a bit on Indian Ocean piracy by TheophileEscargot (2.00 / 0) #9 Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 03:05:46 PM EST

But the book mostly covers the 1600s to 1800s.
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There's a whole tradition by Scrymarch (2.00 / 0) #15 Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 09:08:15 AM EST

.. Chinese / Japanese piracy, I thought the European navies ran into it in the 19th century as well.
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Well by TheophileEscargot (2.00 / 0) #16 Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 02:26:03 PM EST

I don't remember any mention of Chinese or Japanese pirates, and there's nothing in the index.

There's a fair bit about the Indian ocean, but mostly by and on Western ships.

These country ships plying in the Indian Ocean were often much larger than the European or American ships, few of which exceeded 300 tons, while some of the Asian ships were as much as 1,000 tons and 300 to 500 tons was commonplace. These capacious ships were manned with huge crews, usually well over a hundred men, but were weakly armed with only a handful of cannon since they appeared to face no real threat, attacks on native vessels being rare once the European nations had established their naval superiority.

I think the Chinese and Japanese "pirates" stuck mostly to raiding villages, rather than attacking shipping. They acted more like Viking raiders than pirates as far as I can see.
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: Vikings by Scrymarch (4.00 / 1) #17 Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 09:07:59 AM EST

Probably not a bad comparison. I had thought they were involved in a few more actual naval actions though, especially during those periods where the emperors let the navy run down. Zheng Yi Sao seems like she was pretty hard core.
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No country for old men by nebbish (4.00 / 1) #10 Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 04:18:28 PM EST

I agree with you. Also I thought it was a little naive to make a film about the shocking callousness of a new, modern kind of violence when we've been watching it in the movies since the 70s.

Having said that, some of the desert and motel scenes are amongst my favourite ever film making. Wonderfully atmospheric too.

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