I wonder who first made that joke?

The wording is a little quirky (why the curious "certainly" instead of the more straight-forward "indifference will be the end . . . "?) and seems to me to be the over-work that's indicative of a deliberately planned joke rather than an off the cuff statement.

Still, I can't find any source for it.

I can find a handful of dudes using it a signature as early as 2000, but nobody ever sources it. In fact, I've found only one guy who sources it to "Anon," with everybody else leaving the reader to wonder if they made it up or not.

I have no faith that we will ever undo the damage that Bush and his cronies have done.

She's actually been saying the right stuff: "Given the information they presented to us I stand behind my vote. If I knew back then what I know today I would not have voted for it." Even if it's still crap it's the correct thing to say politically I believe.

She's smart enough not to fall into the "I voted for it before I voted against it" trap that The GOP'rs love to spin into the dreaded flip-flop attack they love so much.

Speaking of Flip Flop - The Dems are drafting an iRAqii War UNDO button. Sheesh. They might as well invent a WayBack Machine and have Mr. Peabody go back in time to fix this mess.

Warmest regards,
--Your best pal Bob

it was fashion, and they didn't want to be unfashionable. They also have a market to write to, and echo-chambering is more profitable than being contrarian. They were whoring, and they will continue to whore with whatever is popular. They entertain us, troll us, and make us indignant - they don't make policy.

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Freedom, liberty, equity and an Australian Republic

they had a random former general on who, apparently, has been vocally opposed to the Iraq war since before it began. He noted that "we know a lot from history about how liberal democracies come about, and it was clear that no such thing was going to occur in Iraq." That was the first time I had heard such a fundamental point in the MSM. The debate in the media didn't get beyond the analytical skills of an 8 year old.

Maybe this is an obvious point, but neither the media, the public, nor the political class are capable of making morally positive policy choices (as a whole in each case). I think that's true of all countries.

When I'm imprisoned as an enemy combatant, will you blog about it?

Many of them can't tell the truth, which is "I voted for the war because I was afraid that if I voted against it, my political career would be over". At least one major Democratic candidate falls in this category, but I will be nice and not name her explicitly.

Sadly, some of those who did have the guts to oppose the war when it was unpopular did see their political career plummet. People will remember that Howard Dean was a kook who made gaffes. They will forget that the biggest gaffe was "The world is no safer with Saddam in custody".

But I'll likely vote for someone who "flip-flopped" because we need to get anyone remotely involved in this fiasco out of office. This is not the time to vote third party. (Speaking as someone who has only voted major party twice in six elections.)
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[ucblockhead is] useless and subhuman

I voted 'More Involved'. But what I mean by that is 'More involved in a diplomatic, humanitarian and philanthropic way', not in a 'More involved because we're a big, fucking self-righteous, xenophobic, asshole, bully way'.

So maybe the left is thinking a bit more strategically? Or maybe not. Let's wait a year or so, see who the Democrats nominate, and how the left reacts. The MoveOn/Kos/International ANSWER crowd could still help put a Republican in the White House for another 4 years.

MoveOn has gone Democrat, DailyKos bans people who are not partisan right-of-center Democrats, and ANSWER has no real influence. Here's what will happen:

MoveOn will support whoever gets nominated by the Democrats, and will hold bake sales to raise money for them and watch TV for a while.

Markos on Dailykos will support whichever Democrat gets picked in the primaries, unless it is Hillary Clinton, at which point he will start supporting John McCain and ban everyone from his site who isn't a Republican.

ANSWER will have a protest where millions of people attend, giving the LaRouche cult followers the idea that they can distribute their propaganda. The protesters get annoyed and don't vote at all since they are so confused by the LaRouche wackos.

On the other side, the Republicans fix the election in Ohio for the third time, and still lose because everyone else hates them.
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That's what I always say about you, boz, you have a good memory for random facts about pussy. -- joh3n