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Yep.	11 votes - 84 %
No! Breastfeeding is porn!	2 votes - 15 %

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once a restaurant in town... by gzt (4.00 / 3) #1 Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 02:53:41 PM EST

...asked a mother not to feed in public, not realizing that she had the legal right to do whatever she wanted. it brought up a firestorm, there were like dozens of women breastfeeding outside the place holding up signs and business dropped off sharply.

the funny thing: the restaurant had a wet t-shirt contest earlier in the week.

Brilliant! by cam (4.00 / 1) #4 Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 03:05:11 PM EST

btw is it true in Texas you can't buy dildos?

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did you not read my review of The Rabbit last year by StackyMcRacky (4.00 / 3) #8 Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 03:38:00 PM EST

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Cant recall by cam (4.00 / 1) #9 Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 03:42:18 PM EST

Ownership is obviously not illegal then (as owning boobs isnt, just having kids swing off them is). Did you smuggle it across the border from Utah?

cam
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no by StackyMcRacky (4.00 / 2) #13 Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 04:42:21 PM EST

just stopped off a shop on the way home from work

however, they did rip me off! i saw the same thing on amazon.com for 1/3 of what i paid!

in the end, i figured it was OK - i got my instant gratification

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: yeah but by martingale (2.00 / 0) #40 Sat Jul 29, 2006 at 04:16:16 AM EST

what was the replay value?
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Certain counties? by blixco (4.00 / 1) #12 Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 04:38:22 PM EST

But yeah, it's illegal to sell certain thingies.
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Probably one for snopes by cam (4.00 / 1) #16 Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 04:55:36 PM EST

but then again VA has a bunch of puritanical laws. I recall one bloke going to jail for adultery down in Luray. His jilted mistress called the cops on him for adultery, which is part of the criminal code apparently.

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Apparently statewide, by blixco (4.00 / 1) #21 Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 06:19:16 PM EST

and wherevver Stacky got hers was breaking the law, though from what I've read the law isn't really enforced all that much.

"It's illegal to 'wholesale promote' obscene materials or devices. Texas statute says an obscene device is a simulated sexual organ or an item designed or marketed as useful primarily for the stimulation of human genital organs. The law allows investigators to assume that anyone with six or more of the items is intending to promote them."
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: Hmmmm by yicky yacky (4.00 / 1) #32 Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 08:56:39 PM EST

"an item designed or marketed as useful primarily for the stimulation of human genital organs"

Would this therefore cover such things as cleavage(-enhancing|-exaggerating) wonderbras and certain cosmetics?

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: they are sold as by StackyMcRacky (4.00 / 1) #56 Mon Jul 31, 2006 at 10:13:48 AM EST

"personal massagers"

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Important note for US high officials by wumpus (4.00 / 2) #23 Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 06:32:29 PM EST

VA - adultry is a felony.
DC - adultry legal
MD - adultry illegal, $20 fine.

If you hadn't noticed, Bush spends a lot of time (when he's not clearing brush) in Camp David, Maryland. Anybody questioned about any adultrous affairs (at least the parts that happened in Maryland) are not required to testify about them according to the 5th amendment (you have to testify about those in DC).

Wumpus

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: yes by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #57 Mon Jul 31, 2006 at 11:59:01 AM EST

He spends lots of time in private conferences with the Secretary of State</wild rumor>
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In El Paso by paperdoll (4.00 / 2) #17 Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 05:26:56 PM EST

The only thing the sex shops can't sell is full body blow up dolls. We found this out when trying to get one for a retirement party everything else is fair game.

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: inflatable sheep are OK, right? -nt- by clover kicker (2.00 / 0) #30 Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 08:32:44 PM EST

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There's a story by ana (4.00 / 5) #2 Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 02:55:31 PM EST

an urban myth, perhaps, because if it isn't true, it should be, of a couple of women who robbed a bank topless. None of the witnesses seemed to be able to recall a face...

Can you introspect out loud? --CRwM

We could solve this by banning children. by Christopher Robin was Murdered (4.00 / 8) #3 Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 03:01:04 PM EST

no tots.

from some TV show years ago by clover kicker (3.87 / 8) #5 Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 03:06:11 PM EST

Guy: Eww! Is that woman breastfeeding?
Chick: Yes, what's wrong with that?
Guy: I don't want to have to see it!
Chick: It's the most beautiful thing in the world!
Guy: Yeah, but there's a baby hanging off it!

Breasts? by Bob Abooey (4.00 / 4) #6 Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 03:11:03 PM EST

Thanks for mentioning boobs.

Great, now I'll have to sit at my desk and think about my dog getting run over by a truck before I can walk downstairs, IYKWIM.

Warmest regards,
--Your best pal Bob

heh by webwench (4.00 / 2) #7 Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 03:20:01 PM EST

These wackos have to be outliers. No one gave me and the boy any trouble back in the day, and he was routinely (although discreetly) fed in bookstores, restauranta, malls, parks, airports, wherever.

^{Getting more attention than you since 1998.}

Yes, but that's a *huge* tit on the cover. by ammoniacal (4.00 / 1) #24 Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 06:32:34 PM EST

She probably couldn't be "discreet" with those.

Irony: ammo says it's time. Tom is blocked.
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: Nonsense. by CheeseburgerBrown (2.00 / 0) #53 Sun Jul 30, 2006 at 10:02:54 AM EST

With a feeding brassiere and the right shirt even the hootered can be milked on the sly.

I am from a small, unknown country in the north called Ca-na-da. We are a simple, grease-loving people who enjoy le weekend de ski.
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my theory: by dr k (4.00 / 5) #10 Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 04:01:30 PM EST

Breastfeeding is a powerful reminder that humans are mammals, and mammals are animals, and animals evolved by natural selection, and if there is natural selection that would *clearly disprove the existence of a Christian god because the Bible says the world is only 6,000 years old.

(*) crazy person logic

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they see a breast by jimgon (4.00 / 4) #11 Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 04:10:08 PM EST

Yes, all a man sees is a breast. So cover the breast. And make sure it's a large loose shirt so that no outline of a breast can be seen. After all we don't want women to cause lust in the men. Men are helpless and women are seductresses.

It's the same thing that leads Islamists to making women wear burkhas. The Islamic Fundamentalists and the Christian Fundamentalist have far more in common than either would want to agree. Right down to hating Jews or using them for their own purposes.

it's amazing by webwench (4.00 / 6) #15 Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 04:50:48 PM EST

I can walk into any grocery store right now and pull three or four mainstream fashion and mens' magazines whose covers show more breast than is shown in that breastfeeding magazine cover. But because the fashion and mens' magazines are sexualizing the breasts for the sake of titillation, no one thinks twice about it.

I could air my personal theories about the cause of this disparity, but they'd all make me sound like a wacko pinko feminist, and that's even more offensive to display than a big ol' boobie.

I still think it's just a couple of wackos making a lot of racket about breastfeeding. Aside from wackos and the occasional squeamish pubescent boy, I don't think most people really give a shit who does it, or where. When done discreetly, most people don't even notice that breastfeeding is going on.

^{Getting more attention than you since 1998.}
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: Don't notice by The Fool (4.00 / 1) #18 Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 05:38:09 PM EST

No, I'd say that every man in the room notices that breastfeeding is going on.
We may not leer, but we definitely notice.

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: actually, I'm interested by martingale (2.00 / 0) #38 Sat Jul 29, 2006 at 04:11:08 AM EST

I'd love to hear your theories. See, I'm a bit perplexed: in the late sixties, it was all nakedness and free love. Now that those same people are parents, it's cover that breast. What happened in between? Did Osama kill the inner-hippie or what? Is it something they put in the SUV gas? Somebody set up us the outrage. What happen?
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Burkhas give me the horn by yicky yacky (4.00 / 3) #31 Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 08:44:17 PM EST

no comment
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Wow by spacejack (4.00 / 1) #14 Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 04:49:34 PM EST

It's been a while since I've actually been shocked by a news story. Makes me wonder whether attitudes north of the border here are much different or not.

modern media and public response by MM (4.00 / 3) #19 Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 05:55:24 PM EST

Media corporation #1 puts boobies on the cover of magazine, because people like boobies
5 self-loathing evangelicals get pissed off
Media corporation #2 reports on item 2, because people like to get all freaked out
enlightened urbanites declare sky is falling because those 5 evangelicals are, like, totally going to stop you from seeing boobies ever again

I don't see a problem here - everyone is getting off on boobies in a different way.

What's 40 percent of by blixco (4.00 / 1) #20 Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 06:06:53 PM EST

4000? That's the number of individuals in Texas who were pissed off about the breastfeeding. If it were 5, no problem. It's not five.

It's probably half the country.
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this is the problem with surveys by MM (4.00 / 1) #25 Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 06:38:51 PM EST

Often when I go to the mall (which isn't often) I'll see a woman breastfeeding a baby. I never see anyone telling them to cover up. How many people walk past during the feeding on a busy Saturday? 500? 1000? Not one cares enough to throw a fit? Maybe half the country has an intellectual issue with it, but sure as hell that 50% of the country doesn't care enough to do anything about it. The shame has no teeth.

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: Where do you live again? by blixco (2.00 / 0) #43 Sat Jul 29, 2006 at 12:14:54 PM EST

You moved from the second most liberal area in the country to the first most. Dude, in the bay area they have a hard time comvincing people to keep their clothes on at all.
Try it, sometime, living in a place like Texas.
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Indeed by Pasofol (4.00 / 1) #22 Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 06:31:16 PM EST

North America tends to be a fucked up place. Especially when it comes to sexuality. Hopefully I won't be located on it for too much longer.

: America is a passionate place by cam (2.00 / 0) #26 Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 06:43:05 PM EST

sometimes those passions lead to extremes, but both ends of the extreme still exist.
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Just to help out by gazbo (4.00 / 2) #27 Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 07:30:00 PM EST

Before you start thinking Americans are fucked up beyond proportion, I should probably recall this gentleman for you. A judge.

I think my main point is that everyone is fucked up. In the entire world. I bet there's fucking Eskimos who declare all homogayosexualists should be tortured to death. My only hope - and not a very strong one - is that in 30 years virtually all these ridiculous prejudices will have died. For good.

"Engarde!" cried the larvae, huskily. - Scrymarch

Hey, waitaminnit by sasquatchan (4.00 / 1) #28 Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 07:37:49 PM EST

isn't this the same blixco that got hot and heated with CBB over the ode to littlestar's breasts ? I don't get it, man.

I'm also VERY surprised NOONE pointed out something even more fucked up in that article:

Another mother, Kelly Wheatley, wrote Babytalk to applaud the cover, precisely because, she said, it helps educate people that breasts are more than sex objects. And yet Wheatley, 40, who's still nursing her 3-year-old daughter, rarely breast-feeds in public, partly because it's more comfortable in the car, and partly because her husband is uncomfortable with other men seeing her breast.

3 year old daughter still breastfed ?!?! holy fuck!

nursing age by dr k (2.00 / 0) #34 Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 10:44:45 PM EST

Breastfeeding activists will tell you there is no specific age when a child should stop nursing. Some mothers allow their children to breastfeed up until they are school age, it is suggested that this improves the child's self confidence.

Of course children at that age can't be exclusively breastfed, so it is often done as a reward or for consolation.

Given that most American mothers breastfeed for about two months, I think some mothers breastfeed longer so that they can feel like they are being better moms. But regardless, public attitudes about breastfeeding are pretty screwed up. Formula fed babies are just another factor in the current ADHD/obesity/psychotic epidemic.

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I dunno by sasquatchan (2.00 / 0) #42 Sat Jul 29, 2006 at 09:22:26 AM EST

Breast feeding up to one year should be sufficient.. After that, the child should be sufficing on solid foods.. And breast feed as a reward ? That's not right, man.. Maybe that's what Freud was on to..

I mean, I agree that breast feeding is superior to formula provided the mother can lactate enough to feed the kid.. But past a year, it's weaning time.

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unfortunately by dr k (2.00 / 0) #49 Sat Jul 29, 2006 at 02:56:52 PM EST

you don't really have an argument aside from the appeal to public sentiment. Humans take over a decade to reach physical maturity, so why should nursing be limited to just one year?

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Well by Driusan (2.00 / 0) #50 Sat Jul 29, 2006 at 04:13:59 PM EST

There's also the fact that studies show that prolonged breastfeeding is correlated with malnutrition.

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: post 9 more studies by dr k (2.00 / 0) #51 Sat Jul 29, 2006 at 04:19:41 PM EST

and I'll take your point.

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However by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #58 Mon Jul 31, 2006 at 12:03:04 PM EST

It's harder on the mother to keep breastfeeding that long.
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what's wrong with that? by gzt (2.00 / 0) #36 Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 11:20:55 PM EST

okay, three may be pushing it in western society, but it's not so bad - it's not like 2 is unacceptable, why not 3?

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: well, it's unfair by martingale (2.00 / 0) #39 Sat Jul 29, 2006 at 04:13:59 AM EST

to some of those kids born in leapyears.
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No, you moron. by blixco (2.00 / 0) #44 Sat Jul 29, 2006 at 12:17:46 PM EST

Re-rea everything in that goddamn stupid fucking thread about boobs, and you'll see that all I ever said was: my wife would not like her boobs exposed on a web site.

Jesus. I thought I'd pounded that into everyone already?

Also, in re: nursing age, when is the cutoff, and is that your rule or natural law?
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pounds indeed by sasquatchan (4.00 / 1) #47 Sat Jul 29, 2006 at 01:13:39 PM EST

;)

Anyway, as said below, I'd think when kid is regularly eating solid food, no need to nurse any more.

Some moms I know say when they get teeth, time to stop nursing, one nursed ~20 months. The one that went the 20 months is one that can't say no to her kid, and whined about trying to wean her kid, but wouldn't put the boobie away, gave in every time the kid asked (cried, tamtrum, etc), etc etc. That's not right.

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: Heh. Yeah, sorry about that. by blixco (2.00 / 0) #48 Sat Jul 29, 2006 at 02:08:59 PM EST

The unintended consequence of that legendary thread is: a few people think I am anti-boob.
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That's a bit of a Western prejudice by stevew (4.00 / 2) #52 Sun Jul 30, 2006 at 01:08:20 AM EST

When I was working in Thailand, I often got to stay with rural locals in real third world conditions.

One time, I ended up staying at the house of one of the labourers after long night playing cards. I call it a house but it was more like a three room bamboo hut. The next day was some religious holiday. The guy had two kids still at home, daughters about 10 and 14. Sometime mid morning, I was just sitting around avoiding the heat and nursing a sore head when the youngest of the girls wandered up to the mother and asked in Thai: "drink milk?". The mother unbuttoned the lower three buttons of her shirt and the kid sucked away. I think just to stir me because I was looking so uncomfortable, the 14 y.o. followed next in line. The real reason I was feeling so uncomfortable was the glimpse I got of the thing that they were sucking on, which was like a balloon with a golf ball inside.

I wondered for a while if the whole thing was a tease to make me uncomfortable but given she was still lactating nine years after the last birth (Girl 1 came away with milky lips), I figured not.

I asked around later and was told it was common in poorer rural families to occasionally breast feed up till puberty and sometimes beyond. The milk is seen as a supplement for growing kids where the only meal available might be wild leafy greens and a frog from the ditch or a rat from the rice field.

I should write some diaries about those years but some of the everyday stuff is so far out of the narrow comfort zone of many on this site that I don't think they would even be believed.

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: That last paragraph by Driusan (4.00 / 1) #54 Sun Jul 30, 2006 at 04:28:21 PM EST

Should have ended after the first 8 words.
You really should write some diaries about those years.

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Great quote from the article: by Wise Cracker (4.00 / 9) #29 Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 08:21:38 PM EST

"I don't want my son or husband to accidentally see a breast they didn't want to see".

Lady, I assure you: that will *never* happen.
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so, in recognition of blixco by garlic (4.00 / 2) #33 Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 10:23:45 PM EST

What size is her bra?

uh by theantix (4.00 / 1) #35 Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 11:13:47 PM EST

Am I the only one who stopped trying to guess and just clicked through instead?
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no. by garlic (2.00 / 0) #37 Sat Jul 29, 2006 at 12:14:33 AM EST

i scored something like 38, which is basically random guesses.

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60 by celeriac (2.00 / 0) #41 Sat Jul 29, 2006 at 06:58:40 AM EST

from just choosing the middle size, not looking at the pictures or names.

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: Just by blixco (2.00 / 0) #45 Sat Jul 29, 2006 at 12:19:56 PM EST

reading the articles?
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: erm by theantix (2.00 / 0) #46 Sat Jul 29, 2006 at 12:45:44 PM EST

So you don't like looking at boobs and didn't care about the names, but you still took the time to click through every single item there just to see what the score would be from the middle size?
Damn, I miss being unemployed.
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Tip by bob6 (2.00 / 0) #55 Mon Jul 31, 2006 at 05:45:08 AM EST

Never ever click A and only click D for olde generation actresses and models.

Cheers.
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