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Washington, D. C. Diaries, Days 2 thru N | 12 comments (12 topical, 0 hidden) | Trackback

Damn, it's been a while by TheophileEscargot (2.00 / 0) #1 Thu Apr 13, 2006 at 01:30:13 AM EST

Last time I was in Washington DC, the only FDR memorial was the small block outside the National Archives. Always thought that was appealingly modest.
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monuments to presidents by martingale (2.00 / 0) #2 Thu Apr 13, 2006 at 06:08:05 AM EST

I don't understand that. I can see a monument to a king or similar, because they actually pay for it, in a manner of speaking. But a president? What's that, a nobody whose only claim to fame is being elected by the people. Once elected, all he does is paid for by the people, with resources belonging to the people. Any actual work is done by civil servants. When he leaves office he's replaced by another nobody who does the same. What, exactly, does a president bring to the table, when we come right down to it?

Anyway, good for him. If I didn't pay for a monument to myself, I'd definitely want the biggest damn monument I could get.
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That's exactly what struck me as wrong about by ObviousTroll (2.00 / 0) #3 Thu Apr 13, 2006 at 07:07:10 AM EST

the FDR memorial - quote after quote about how he was doing the people's work and earning the people's trust and about how he needed to ensure that the people with the least got enough and so on.

In foot high letters.

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: don't forget by martingale (4.00 / 1) #4 Thu Apr 13, 2006 at 07:14:04 AM EST

People used to be bigger in those days. Just look at Abraham Lincoln's memorial. How they ever managed to fit his chair into the tiny White House is beyond me.
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You look so normal in that pic. by wiredog (2.00 / 0) #5 Thu Apr 13, 2006 at 07:25:27 AM EST

Just like a regular touron. Well, minus the goofy t-shirt.

How interesting can it be to miss a parade when it's raining?

Back in 86 I went to the Viet Nam War Memorial at about 2AM. It was very different than during the day. Only a couple of people there. Spooky.

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Have you seen the Korean memorial? by ObviousTroll (4.00 / 1) #6 Thu Apr 13, 2006 at 07:39:40 AM EST

It looks like they took the disconnected ideas from the 'Nam memorial and combined them - the reflective wall + traditional statues, but rearranged them so that the wall reflects the soldiers.

Very evocative, even during the day. At night it must be quite eerie.

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Never been to the Korean War memorial by wiredog (2.00 / 0) #8 Thu Apr 13, 2006 at 12:50:00 PM EST

Don't know anyone who fought in it. Only went to the Viet Nam memorial that night because a couple of sergeants in my outfit in Korea asked me to look up some names for them while I was on leave. So I got pictures of the memorial at night, with close up of the names of interest.

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Korean war memorial by cam (2.00 / 0) #9 Fri Apr 14, 2006 at 11:29:05 PM EST

is the best of the lot of them IMO. The others can be too grand and dehumanising. You can feel the mud and cold on the Korean War soldier sculptures. The Vietnam wall is too abstract. It is important to remember that war involves hardship and bloodshed of humans.

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I think you're right - for us, and those who by ObviousTroll (4.00 / 1) #10 Sat Apr 15, 2006 at 12:02:36 AM EST

come after us, the Vietnam Memorial will have little meaning; but for those with a personal connection to those names on the wall, it obviously has a powerful impact.

The Korean memorial, though, works on so many levels - right down to the complaint that Korea is the "forgotten war" - even the memorial is made of insubstantial "ghosts" as it were.

That really struck me the next day when I went into the museum of American history and entered the "Americans at War" exhibit - a big chunk of it was Vietnam, but I never did find anything on Korea - and a lot more people died there than in Vietnam.

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Korea tends to get forgotten in Australia by cam (2.00 / 0) #11 Sat Apr 15, 2006 at 09:48:38 AM EST

too as it was all regulars. Vietnam had conscripts so it filtered down more into the citizens conscience. Yet Australia committed squadrons, aircraft carriers, ships, infantry etc. It also did that while it committed assets to the Malayan Emergency.

Konfrontasi is a forgotten war in Australia too. Its effects still continue despite Indonesia democratising, Yudhoyono is playing Konfrontasi like politics at the moment with Australia. It doesnt help that Australia has been inconsistent on its position of refugees opening them up to criticism, but even so, this is classic Au-Indonesia Konfrontasi style politics.

cam
Freedom, liberty, equity and an Australian Republic
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: Yes. If you had posted that a week ago by ObviousTroll (4.00 / 1) #12 Sat Apr 15, 2006 at 11:26:10 AM EST

I would have been astonished; I consider myself well-read, but I had no idea that total UN casualties in Korea were 10x what the American casualties were till I saw the monument.
Then I realized most of what I "knew" about Korea came from M.A.S.H.

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seconded wiredog's rainy parade comment by sasquatchan (4.00 / 1) #7 Thu Apr 13, 2006 at 09:34:02 AM EST

since I asked in the last diary ;)

Any clown conventions going on in town ?

And did ya'll wander around Rock Creek Pk, or the zoo ? See a Nationals game, or Caps game ?

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