Why extend myself if I feel like I'm going to be cut off at the neck later? I've tried, though, to indicate my intentions, but the problem is that she doesn't seem to want to have a real discussion of these matters at the moment, instead engaging in subtle sabotage. As such, my plan is to weather the sabotage until such time as I have more concrete plans.
Granted, this is hard, and you have to hear some brutal stuff, but at least it gets all the cards on the table.
Other good techniques are mirroring (repeat what the other person said first, then respond) and the talking stick (person with the stick talks until done, no interruption).
At some point, you have to put aside all those reservations and jump whole heartedly into something, if that's what you really want. Of course, you open yourself to immeasurable hurt and betrayal, but hey, that's life.
That technique sounds like a Neuro-Linguistic Programming trick to me. I like the talking stick idea, but I'll never get lmfB to agree to it. She'll accuse me of going all Joseph Conrad on her ass.
And I agree with what you're saying, it's just a fine line between jumping wholeheartedly and making a last minute move of desparation. Relationships: It Ain't All Gravy!
Native Americans are still hip, tell her the talking stick was used at pow-wows from time immemorial by the Cherokee. I'll even make you an authentic one, drawing on my 0.2% Native Ameerican heritage.
I'd be content if she'd just be willing to discuss it without crying then switching the subject to some other random small thing. Nothing to do but wait until she's ready, I guess. I'm a big fan of directness. Apparently, other people aren't.
"To this day that was the most bullshit caesar salad I have every experienced..." - triggerfinger
I'd keep quiet about the relocation stuff until you know where you're going. Sounds like it might be a bit late for that though.
--------It's political correctness gone mad!
And indeed, that is an Amazing Beard Fact!
It's a strange, strange school. Lots of Japanese kids with bleached hair and guitars. Lots and lots of kids standing outside the building smoking, waiting for class looking like they'd never seen the sun before.
Still, though. Many of them are damn good. They often play at Wally's for fun.--
Close friendships and a private room can offer most of the things love does.
Coctail Lounge in Chicago, which, on "open mic night", was populated with pasty-faced jazz geniusii from Northwestern University. Local culture can be pretty awesome around and about quality music schools.
The "Great Eye" (eye & unfinished pyramid) symbol was designed to the first dollar in 1782. The first recorded use of the Masonic "all-seeing eye" with triangle motif was nearly a decade later, 1791.
The symbol, designed by William Barton, combined motifs from two different sources. The pyramid comes from a 1778 script note called the "Hopkins Bill." The eye was taken from the proposal of a 1776 committee on the establishment of a national seal.
It is of interest to note that of those founders most linked to Masonry - Washington, Franklin, Randolph - only one - Franklin - was on the seal committee and his proposal (a design based on a Biblical scene from Exodus) was rejected.
The guy is so tired of the "eye & pyramid" and related conspiracy theories it's pretty funny. He seems to feel the movie "National Treasure" was released just to make his life more difficult.
The doctor said it was the worst case of cookie-blindness he'd ever seen.
Would have been friggin' INTENSE. MOVEMENT OF JAH PEOPLE!
Bear in mind that I'm hypercaffeinated at the moment, which I'll use as an excuse for my shotgun-logic approach, but I believe the relationship between Masonry and the formation of the States is much more symbiotic than conspiratorial, as the Lodge, as it were, was a collective of like-minded individuals who wanted to build a secular state, as opposed to an evil Cabal of Dark Lords, building an Evil Empire, and served as a convenient rallying mechanism against folk like General Gage and other Tories. That said, it seems more than coincidental that a seal that referenced a history that the Lodge was trying desparately to associate themselves with, would be completely uninfluenced by Lodge leitmotifs. I do believe, though, that the real connections between the Lodge and the States' founders are better explored by means of military connections between the two than by the symbology of either grouping.
Truth is, I know very little about the Masons and any connection they may or may not have had in the formation of the United States. But one of my many little obsessions is currency. Consequently, I just happen to know about that one aspect of the story.
In the modern USA, Masonry itself is still pretty shy and retiring. It's most public face is the Shriners, who are a subordinate group. As a group, it's main purpose is to have meetings and raise money for charity. Masons give tons of money to charity (10 years ago, it was estimated at more than 1 million per day, I assume it's higher now). There is no "national" masonic order - each state's fraternity is independent of the others and, as an artifact of history, while there are no racial criteria on joining the masons, there is an independent branch of freemasonry that is focused on minority members.
Interestingly enough, while I have promised not to discuss what masonic rituals are actually like, I can cheerfully tell you that the initiations for groups like the Moose, the Lions and the 4H are all strikingly similar - making me wonder if those other groups weren't derived from the Masons in some way.
What is highly speculative: the roots of the Masons apparently go back much deeper but they really were a secret society at that point which means THEY DIDN'T WRITE STUFF DOWN. There is no 14th century document signing transfering ownership of Templar naval fleets to the Grand Lodge of Scotland or anything like that. Thus, any information from before 1700 or so pretty much comes from doing linguistic archeology of masonic rituals - which means it's about as scientifically valid as last week's Learning Channel episode on the Bermuda Triangle. But, it's still fun to ponder. My personal opinion is that it has always been a society for people who held "unpopular" ideas - religious heretics, anti-royalists, etc.. The doctor said it was the worst case of cookie-blindness he'd ever seen.
This is going to throw my 5-year plan to retirement into complete disarray.
a Masonic symbol, or more a Rosicrucian symbol of successful alchemical transformation of one form of matter to another? If so, your plans are all set, proceed full steam ahead!
I have studied the cards closely and there is no truth to the theory that Bush the Younger is actually the Magician reborn.1
1 I will admit, however, that Cheney bears a striking resemblance to the Hierophant. The doctor said it was the worst case of cookie-blindness he'd ever seen.
Lest he be found where the tide comes but once a day, with stones in his pockets!
It's right there on the Care and Use Tag!
I can't tell if that's just completely out of sync, or a Work of Staggering Genius!
Well, that, and the occasional balloon animal. The doctor said it was the worst case of cookie-blindness he'd ever seen.
It isn't Freemasonry who I'm accusing of anti-Semitism; it's anti-freemason conspiracy zealots, who all too quickly ignore the forgery that is the Protocols of the Elders of Zion in favor of grouping Masonry with those Evil Jew Bankers. Now, it's certainly true that the concept of loaning money and charging interest is a Templar invention, oft attributed to Those Evil Zionists, any connection between the Templars and Freemasonry is entirely a construct of Masonry propagandists.
Regardless, like I said in another comment, I don't think the role Masonry played in the formation of the US can be outright rejected, but I don't see that as evidence of a conspiracy, so much as a convenient rallying point for like-minded folk who wanted to construct a secular state. It also suggests that perhaps British generals charged with quelling the uprising of the States didn't really want to win one for the King, as they, attending the same lodges as those in charge of the uprising, weren't entirely opposed to the construction of said secular state. So, I agree; Freemasonry is basically a big social club, which is certainly the case these days. It just happens to be a social club with former political goals that have since been achieved.
As for the connection between the "Anacreontic Society" and the Lodge, I think that it's a pretty widely-accepted fact that particular incarnation of the Anacreontic Society was Masonic in origin. There've been other "Anacreontic Societies", but that one was comprised almost entirely of Lodge members in good standing.
You can expect a nocturnal visit from my Masonic Overlords friends who will strenuously explain to you exactly how peaceful and freedom loving we freemasons really are! The brass knuckles will merely be the sort of courtesy we extend to all those who oppose us potential members of our benevolent association!
On a different note - the connection between the Templars and the Freemasons is, obviously, entirely speculative, but it is certainly interesting. A lot of Masonic ritual is apparently rooted in the language of medieval France - which would be simply bizarre if the origins of the fraternity really were in 1717. Sadly, problems with my time cube are currently preventing me from giving the question the attention it deserves. The doctor said it was the worst case of cookie-blindness he'd ever seen.
I have absolutely no doubt that Freemasons are freedom-loving people. I find it entirely plausible that said love of freedom is at least partially to be credited for the freedoms you and I enjoy right now! The problem with serious discussion about Masonry with random people, as I'm sure you're already fully familiar, is that there's way too many nutjobs out there who assume that if the organization in question isn't entirely transparent, then it's obviously up to no good.
Hrmm, if only I could think of a current political metaphor for such nutjobbery... Oh yeah, DAILYKOS! Please note that I did not link to them, and therefore obviously don't endorse their views.
Someday I have to diarize the full theory about the Templar treasure disappearance of 1314, and how it made it's way first to Scotland, then Gnawbone, Indiana. Unfortunately, it'll require a trip to Southern Indiana to photograph the octagonal, alleged "Templar ruins" along the banks of the Ohio, and making a trip to that area isn't high on my list of vacation spots at the moment.
And, obviously, your over-the-top attempts to distance yourself clearly indicate that you have repressed liberal tendencies!
Which side am I supposed to be arguing, again?
Heh. When I was first discussing whether or not I would join the sekrit new world order, I looked around the web I was appalled at what I "learned" about the masons on the web. Eventually, though, I realized that the gap between web sites and reality was too large to be bridged: on the one hand, a satanic cult bent on world domination and, on the other, a bunch of elderly quaker types whose idea of a wild party was to put fresh strawberries on their ice cream. I can only assume that there are actually two masonic orders and the one I belong to is merely a front for the "real" masons.
The doctor said it was the worst case of cookie-blindness he'd ever seen.
But will he even know to register that comment as "racist"? Only time will tell!
on what those Loyalists are loyal to.
port of departure, Narbonne. Over time, the name of the town was Hoosierified into "Gnawbone". And now you know, the rest of the story...
the Templars moved their operations to Nigeria, where they ran up a huge credit card debt in Philip the Fair's name, in what was the first recorded scam in history.
That's 50% of Utopia.