How should political parties be funded?

Any donations/loans from anybody   1 vote - 10 %
Any donations/loans from anybody but publishing larger amounts   1 vote - 10 %
Capped donations from individuals/companies   0 votes - 0 %
Capped donations from individuals only (none from companies)   0 votes - 0 %
Membership fees only   0 votes - 0 %
Taxation, funding dependent upon number of MPs/congresspeople   0 votes - 0 %
From taxation based on membership   1 vote - 10 %
Taxation + membership fees   0 votes - 0 %
Jumble sales   3 votes - 30 %
Revenue from politicians taking part in medical trials   4 votes - 40 %
Other   0 votes - 0 %
 
10 Total Votes
You filthy heretic by Rogerborg (4.00 / 1) #1 Sat Mar 18, 2006 at 05:52:26 AM EST
Mah dogs from the British Humanist Association are going to serve you ISG damned unconscionable splitters.  The spirit logically projected totality of the collected options of Linda is with us.

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Question by Herring (4.00 / 3) #2 Sat Mar 18, 2006 at 05:54:32 AM EST
is it possible to be a misanthrope and a humanist? Just asking.

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You're just bitter by Rogerborg (2.00 / 0) #3 Sat Mar 18, 2006 at 06:10:15 AM EST
Because your pathetic little psuedo-tribe is all about the negativity, while us Humanists are positive and gain inspiration from our lives, art and culture, and a rich natural world.  Ain't it the truth?

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Metus amatores matrum compescit, non clementia.
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He doesn't remember by Breaker (4.00 / 1) #4 Sat Mar 18, 2006 at 11:40:51 AM EST
Beating you to a bloody pulp and breaking your ankle?

I'm sure the Bermondsey contingent of HuSi could be prepared to make a bit of a journey out to your manor.  To discuss things with this chap, obviously.


I wouldn't put it like that by Herring (2.00 / 0) #5 Sat Mar 18, 2006 at 11:48:42 AM EST
Since there were no visible bruises and I didn't notice that my ankle was fucked until the next day (despite not actually being that drunk). IIRC, I think I took three blows to the face (and stumbled over) due to surprise, then blocked the rest until he left.

It's a nice thought though.

You can't inspire people with facts
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In a fight by Breaker (2.00 / 0) #18 Mon Mar 20, 2006 at 01:49:03 AM EST
I believe it's customary to throw some punches yourself. 

So, why was he moved to start a fight then?


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I don't think secularism implies atheism by komet (4.00 / 1) #6 Sat Mar 18, 2006 at 01:01:28 PM EST
You can be Christian and still reject state interference in religion, which is what secularism is about IMHO.

As for being a card-carrying atheist, why not go one step further and have visiting cards printed saying "H. Erring Esq., Atheist".

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It doesn't by Herring (2.00 / 0) #7 Sat Mar 18, 2006 at 01:06:13 PM EST
But then I'm not an evangelical atheist. People can have whatever beliefs they want providing I, as a taxpayer, don't have to fund them and I, as an individual, can tell them to fuck off.

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I'm with you there by komet (2.00 / 0) #8 Sat Mar 18, 2006 at 01:09:08 PM EST
I wonder: Is benefits fraud a religious belief?

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It's just as legitimate by Herring (4.00 / 1) #9 Sat Mar 18, 2006 at 01:17:08 PM EST
This gets me: all these religious organisations get tax relief (charity status). The NSS has applied for charity status and been refused. Religious organisations can start schools to indoctrinate kids (and make parents pretend to be religious to get their kids in). Secular organisations can't.

As I tried to post on the BBC "have your say" thing: if I tried to get government funding for a neo-nazi school which would teach kids that "jews are evil" and "homosexuality is evil" I would be told to fuck off. If I were representing a large mosque and wanted to do the same thing then the story would be quite different.

The main thing is, I cannot comprehend that we (meaning the taxpayers) are funding schools in the UK - an "enlightened" European country - that teach that ID/creationism is even in the same ballpark as a proper scientific theory.

Even 10 years ago, nobody would've dreamt of such a thing. Now people just lie back and accept it. There is something very wrong in the world.

You can't inspire people with facts
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you know what by komet (2.00 / 0) #11 Sat Mar 18, 2006 at 01:25:34 PM EST
In Zurich, corporations are forced to pay church tax - individuals can opt out, but companies are apparently not subject to human rights laws. I nearly fell out of my chair when I saw the line on my corporate tax bill. It remains one of the very few cases of real injustice I can think of in Switzerland. The populace couldn't care less.

A Jewish businessman here who runs a Jewish business and objected to supporting Christian churches apparently went all the way to the European Court of Human Rights, who told him to STFU. WTF?

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<ni> komet: You are functionally illiterate as regards trashy erotica.

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Two different things by Herring (2.00 / 0) #13 Sat Mar 18, 2006 at 01:28:18 PM EST
The church (building) and the church (organisation) (See Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance). Churches - such as the local one to which my parents subscribe can be architecturally and historically very important.

If you're talking about support for the organization, then that's just out of order.

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The organisation. by komet (2.00 / 0) #14 Sat Mar 18, 2006 at 01:34:13 PM EST
The tax goes to the organisation (actually the catholic and protestant churches split it up).

Don't even get me started about churches (organisation) who collect church taxes and have their churches (buildings) renovated with non-church tax money.

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<ni> komet: You are functionally illiterate as regards trashy erotica.

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If ... by Herring (2.00 / 0) #15 Sat Mar 18, 2006 at 01:50:44 PM EST
I were able to get a rip of the program about my parent's church (see diary text) then it might be interesting to some.

In 1984, they discovered that the stained glass windows were falling apart. It's quite a thing - the windows were orignally finished in 1509 (church was finished 1497) and they have been raising money and restoring them for over 20 years now. Mostly charity money, not state funding - despite these being the only complete collection of medieval stained glass windows ... at all. Important to keep them - plus if you see the West Window in the late afternoon, you'll appreciate that it is a real work of art.

You can't inspire people with facts
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SCART by thunderbee (4.00 / 1) #10 Sat Mar 18, 2006 at 01:22:06 PM EST
You can get a dirt-cheap adapter that splits the signal into video, and L/R audio. You can plug those into a dirt-cheap capture board.

Oh, and the French did win ;-p

French by Herring (2.00 / 0) #12 Sat Mar 18, 2006 at 01:25:39 PM EST
I know. The Welsh played so well - that last French try was so jammy. Wales should be pleased - even Gav had a good game.

You can't inspire people with facts
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pub card by martingale (4.00 / 1) #16 Sat Mar 18, 2006 at 02:30:12 PM EST
card: It seems perfectly right to me. As an atheist, you actively assert the nonexistence of gods, so having a nonexistent card is apropos, no? But I think it would be good to have a day for atheism, people could sell red noses or maybe little miniature pyre pendants or something.

pub: it's genetics, you can't change it. If you had been born black, you'd be less of a target. It's still wrong though.
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The wanker by nebbish (2.00 / 0) #17 Mon Mar 20, 2006 at 01:27:26 AM EST
Get him barred, and use that pub.

You're right about the Labour loans thing. It's sad because Labour were the last party you'd expect from - seeing the dirty tricks the Lib Dems use in council elections I bet they'd be a nightmare for corruption in government.

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It's political correctness gone mad!