sad about Andrea Dworkin dying? Yes, she was shining light of femnist thought 4 votes - 25 % No, man hating bitch 4 votes - 25 % Other 8 votes - 50 % 16 Total Votes
You seem by hulver (4.00 / 3) #1 Mon Apr 11, 2005 at 10:03:51 PM EST
To be spending a lot of time in strip clubs lately.

Don't you think it's leading you to objectifying women even more than you did in the past?
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No by jump the ladder (4.00 / 1) #2 Mon Apr 11, 2005 at 10:08:42 PM EST
Haven't actually spent much time there recently. Last visit was middle of January. I go roughly every three months or so. I think you are confusing seeing  a lap dancer with actually going to the club a lot.

Objectifying women, no not really. I'd rather have the chat with the women at the club than a dance.

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Rapist by hulver (4.00 / 2) #7 Mon Apr 11, 2005 at 10:37:50 PM EST

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Yah by jump the ladder (4.00 / 1) #8 Mon Apr 11, 2005 at 10:40:17 PM EST
If you take Andrea's definition of rape.

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Do they do kinky stuff? by Rogerborg (2.00 / 0) #10 Mon Apr 11, 2005 at 11:32:49 PM EST
Chatting, I mean.

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OMPI by martingale (4.00 / 1) #3 Mon Apr 11, 2005 at 10:22:11 PM EST
No feeding tube = no sadness.

You can't turn on feelings of sadness every time the media says so, you know.
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Don't think the media by jump the ladder (4.00 / 1) #6 Mon Apr 11, 2005 at 10:37:49 PM EST
Is trying to stir up emotion about this one. Just a standard obit on a contreversial figure.

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Andrea Dworkin by nebbish (4.00 / 3) #4 Mon Apr 11, 2005 at 10:23:58 PM EST
She was a funny one. I didn't agree with a lot of what she said, but her ideas were interesting and definitely worth thinking about.

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I think by jump the ladder (4.00 / 2) #5 Mon Apr 11, 2005 at 10:26:27 PM EST
She was like a troll, taking extreme positions to their logical conclusions.

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Very well put by nebbish (2.00 / 0) #9 Mon Apr 11, 2005 at 10:48:52 PM EST
I was trying to say something similar. It's like you don't agree, but it's needed.

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what was so extreme? by Dr H0ffm4n (4.00 / 1) #15 Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 12:23:43 AM EST
What most people know of Dworkin is 3rd hand reportage of her opinions and stance rather than her own words.

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I never said extreme by nebbish (2.00 / 0) #18 Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 03:39:18 AM EST
I read "Pornography" a few years back. Although I thought it made some interesting points I found it too opinionated and subjective.

To be honest I can hardly remember it now though. It didn't have much of an impact on me.

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JtL said extreme by Dr H0ffm4n (2.00 / 0) #19 Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 04:04:21 AM EST
You said that he'd said what you said better. Opinionated and subjective aren't surprising given the emotive and personal subject matter (violence against women).

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Doesn't matter how personal and emotive it is by nebbish (2.00 / 0) #21 Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 09:25:53 PM EST
If you want your ideas to have an impact, you need to be thorough and level headed.

Another problem I remember having with her was an overuse of anectdotal evidence.

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Anecdotal evidence by Dr H0ffm4n (4.00 / 1) #22 Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 10:49:00 PM EST
It is often overlooked that reliable anecdotal evidence is sufficient for demonstration of an existential assertion.

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OK, that's true by nebbish (4.00 / 1) #23 Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 10:56:49 PM EST
But only if you use further anecdotal evidence to counter argue with yourself, which she didn't do in "Pornography".

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WIPO: Who? by Rogerborg (4.00 / 1) #11 Mon Apr 11, 2005 at 11:36:12 PM EST
Despite the very liberal results of the recent poll, we don't all read the Grauniad round these parts.

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ALSO: WTF? It'll be her "first night" by Rogerborg (2.00 / 0) #12 Mon Apr 11, 2005 at 11:58:46 PM EST
for months.  New in town and shy like a fox.  And why didn't you offer her your number?  Getting a bit cocky, aren't we?  Eh? Eh?

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I think the by jump the ladder (2.00 / 0) #13 Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 12:07:49 AM EST
Friend along for moral support rang true and she did sem very amatuer although she got better under my tutelage.

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She seemed sincere? by Rogerborg (2.00 / 0) #14 Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 12:21:55 AM EST
Well, if you can fake that, the rest is easy.

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you only have one boss? by alprazolam (2.00 / 0) #16 Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 01:06:02 AM EST
i have a program boss but also a "functional" (ie engineering) boss i can bitch too about things like that (unreasonable expectations, no scheduling, changes in scope).

WIPO: by extremely tedious HuSer (2.00 / 0) #17 Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 01:57:41 AM EST
Neven heard of her, but from the picture I am glad I am not the one carrying the coffin on my shoulders.

don't know nothin bout Dworkin by clover kicker (2.00 / 0) #20 Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 04:46:23 AM EST
But I know Space Moose wasn't a fan.

background - the misogynistic Space Moose has been sold to the feminists, and is trapped in the lair of Andrea the Hutt.