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Democrats	4 votes - 66 %
Republicans	2 votes - 33 %

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Items by DesiredUsername (3.00 / 0) #1 Thu Nov 11, 2004 at 01:50:40 PM EST

1) There can be no doubt

2) That charity difference thing should be normalized against how many are below the poverty line in the state.

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MMmmmmm by sien (3.00 / 0) #4 Thu Nov 11, 2004 at 02:05:44 PM EST

Oh, yeah, the charity thing.

It possibly correlates well with going to church. It's hard to go and not give to the bowl or when preachers ask for money on TV to send all the homosexuals to hell and get new Lear Jet's for themselves.

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Oh god by sien (3.00 / 0) #5 Thu Nov 11, 2004 at 02:07:08 PM EST

I c'an't co'ntr'l my apostrophe's.

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That's another good point by DesiredUsername (3.00 / 0) #6 Thu Nov 11, 2004 at 02:14:25 PM EST

Who decided what a "charity" is? Or a "donation", for that matter.

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in the usa by ObviousTroll (4.50 / 2) #10 Thu Nov 11, 2004 at 02:51:51 PM EST

just about anything that is classified as a non-profit. So, for example, donations to your church, donations to a museum, donations to the DNC are all considered charitable for IRS purposes.

I'm actually surprised that Pennsylvania came in as low as it did. Probably Philadelphia dragging us down, as usual.

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dnc? by tps12 (4.00 / 1) #22 Fri Nov 12, 2004 at 12:22:49 AM EST

I am pretty sure that political contributions are not tax deductable. Or is that only when you donate to specific candidates?

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: ebba? by ObviousTroll (4.00 / 1) #24 Fri Nov 12, 2004 at 12:35:15 AM EST

I didn't realize that!
I checked and according to these guys you're right, political contributions are not tax deductible.
Interesting. I must have gotten the wrong idea from the "check this box to donate a dollar to the presidential campaign fund" box.

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actually, I thought that by ObviousTroll (3.00 / 1) #9 Thu Nov 11, 2004 at 02:47:16 PM EST

the charity gap disappeared if you normalized for both wages and cost of living? (i.e., people in the blue states tend to make less but their costs of living are also lower which allows them to give a higher percentage of their income to charity).

gah. I read a debunking of the charity gap on some random blog earlier today, but I'll be damned if'en I can remember where.

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Another little thing by fluffy (2.00 / 1) #14 Thu Nov 11, 2004 at 03:02:34 PM EST

Considering that it's the blue states' taxes which go on to subsidize the red states' social programs, I think that living in a blue state makes you a de facto contributor to the red states.
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aaahhhh. I think you got that backwards. by ObviousTroll (2.00 / 1) #25 Fri Nov 12, 2004 at 12:40:16 AM EST

I'd have to research it, but I'm pretty sure the vast majority of federal funding for social services ends up in the big cities - which aren't known for their support of republicans.

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well by tps12 (3.00 / 1) #26 Fri Nov 12, 2004 at 12:45:53 AM EST

He's referring to this, I think. I'd think your idea about cities would be wrong. Urban areas spend a lot on social services, but they also have big local tax bases to help fund them. I would guess that large areas of rural poor would get less local assistance and therefore require more federal money. Of course, who know how it works out in practice.

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Hmmm. Cities are net losses these days by ObviousTroll (2.00 / 1) #27 Fri Nov 12, 2004 at 01:07:39 AM EST

Because of the relatively heavy tax burden, people tend to leave American cities as soon as they start making actual money.

Net result: Cities with an ever increasing poor population and an ever shrinking tax base. Detroit has actually lost something like 50% of its population in the past 50 years. Philadelphia isn't quite in the same situation but if you were to ask me to work in the city again, I would have to demand a 7% raise just to break even - I haven't worked inside Philadelphia's city limits in almost 20 years.

BTW - if you check out Philadelphia in the news, you'll discover that they're laying off firemen and the bus company is about to stop running busses on weekends. In the case of the bus company, this is apparently an attempt to extort more cash out of the state.

In any case, looking at that chart, it occurs to me that I was only thinking of social spending while that chart is interested in total federal dollars. I'm not sure all dollars are equivalent. Is a dollar spent on buying a toilet seat really interchangable with a dollar spent on welfare or a dollar spent on social security?

I have to think about this.

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toilet seat? by tps12 (3.00 / 1) #28 Fri Nov 12, 2004 at 01:15:13 AM EST

Where are these federal toilet seats?

I think we are picturing different things when it comes to cities. Seattle, New York, and Philly seem like they do okay, but obviously Detroit and Hartford are another story.

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: Philadelphia's been in and out of trouble more by ObviousTroll (4.00 / 2) #29 Fri Nov 12, 2004 at 02:06:14 AM EST

than most airlines.
They were holding their heads above water for a while, then the unions won big new contracts out of them. At the time the mayor said "you get this new contract we're gonna have to lay people off" - but apparently the union didn't believe them.

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: Seattle's closing the Bookmobile. by ti dave (3.00 / 0) #30 Fri Nov 12, 2004 at 07:46:16 AM EST

I wouldn't call that O.K.
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Also by ad hoc

(3.00 / 1) #7 Thu Nov 11, 2004 at 02:32:36 PM EST

The ones lower down are the ones who look after their citizens, so "charity" may not be as needed.
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: I think that's what I meant to say by DesiredUsername (3.00 / 1) #8 Thu Nov 11, 2004 at 02:35:59 PM EST

only mathematically.

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No attractiveness gap by ObviousTroll (4.50 / 2) #2 Thu Nov 11, 2004 at 01:55:33 PM EST

The apparent gap is actually caused by the fact that attractive right-wingers - being good capitalists - demand cash up front before displaying the goods.

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: Cool by sien (4.00 / 2) #3 Thu Nov 11, 2004 at 01:59:58 PM EST

Then hopefully pointing out the attractiveness gap will lead to Republicans putting up the cash.
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Those not sorry people by cam (5.00 / 2) #11 Thu Nov 11, 2004 at 02:57:15 PM EST

... arent we supposed to rate them out of ten, and why arent their boobs out?

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: I thought they *were* the boobs. by ObviousTroll (5.00 / 2) #13 Thu Nov 11, 2004 at 02:59:09 PM EST

N Tittilation

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why do by MillMan

(3.00 / 1) #12 Thu Nov 11, 2004 at 02:58:51 PM EST

all right wing sites have that cheesy animated American flag.
This may be the first class war in history where the victims will die laughing.

: and why do you hate America? (nt) by tps12 (3.00 / 1) #23 Fri Nov 12, 2004 at 12:24:14 AM EST

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Im not sorry... by LinDze (3.50 / 2) #15 Thu Nov 11, 2004 at 04:11:11 PM EST

I think the US needs more suffering.

It builds character.

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Arbeit Macht Frei

Unless you have a 'thing' for by Phage (3.00 / 1) #16 Thu Nov 11, 2004 at 08:12:24 PM EST

Bearded men with guns, you'd have to go with the Dem's.

It's like magic realism, but not shit. - Scrymarch.

Not in real life, surely by Rogerborg (4.00 / 1) #17 Thu Nov 11, 2004 at 10:06:43 PM EST

They might have the hawt college chix, but against that, you have to weigh the danger of being trapped in a vegan restaurant and having the full horror of PNAC explained to you in gory detail by an ostensibly grown women who has lived off of allowances and borrowed money all of her life.

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Quite correct by Phage (3.00 / 1) #18 Thu Nov 11, 2004 at 10:12:34 PM EST

But don't underestimate the power of hawt college chix.

Strangely enough I have actually met the stereotypical person you describe. Neither of them have ever had a job and live entirely on benefits, whilst he completes possibly the longest PhD in recorded history, and she holds holistic ante-natal classes.

I recently had a close shave when they threatened to turn up and freeload for a week. I talked N into saying 'NO'. (They were her Uni friends - not my responsibility.)

It's like magic realism, but not shit. - Scrymarch.
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Goosebumps! by Rogerborg (4.50 / 2) #19 Thu Nov 11, 2004 at 10:21:08 PM EST

I can feel my hackles rising just thinking about their continued existence on The Invisible Sky Giant's clean, conservative thinking earth.

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Why does she hate babies so much? by DesiredUsername (3.00 / 1) #20 Thu Nov 11, 2004 at 11:16:04 PM EST

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: Boom Tish n/t by Phage (3.00 / 1) #21 Thu Nov 11, 2004 at 11:41:23 PM EST

It's like magic realism, but not shit. - Scrymarch.
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