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ding, ding, ding by wah (4.50 / 2) #1 Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 11:49:47 AM EST

we have a winnah!

BTW, the 'Power of Nightmares' makes this same point.

It's also the root of the 'cognitive dissonance' that kept a proven distorter of fact in office.
-- yes, I am. no, I am not. where does the difference lay?

Careful ;-) by Mostly Water (5.00 / 3) #2 Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 11:53:16 AM EST

"Sarcasm is the language of the devil, for which reason I have long since as good as renounced it."

Thomas Carlyle

: Yeah, sorry by theantix (4.50 / 2) #4 Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 11:55:46 AM EST

The landoverbaptist link really was inappropriate.

_{Sure, you've got the facts on your side -- but that's just your opinion.}
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yep. by MillMan

(5.00 / 4) #3 Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 11:55:18 AM EST

I'm a whiny liberal for pointing out that Bush publicly admitted his reasons for going into Iraq turned out to be false. I'm a whiny liberal for pointing out the Saudi Arabia has our foreign policy by the balls. I'm a whiny liberal for pointing out the absolute determination of the fundies to remake this country the way jebus intended. I'll probably be called a whiny liberal and worse for pointing out that things are going according to OBL's plan.

Funny you should link to Forbes. IIRC Bush cut taxes because it was a campaign promise given to neutralize Forbes in the race for the republican nomination.

I'm kind of disappointed you didn't refer to me as a whiny liberal, though.
This may be the first class war in history where the victims will die laughing.

You can't be a whiny liberal if you admit to it! by theantix (5.00 / 3) #5 Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 11:58:44 AM EST

You seem to be more of a masochistic liberal. I hope you like the pork in Cuba, traitor.

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masochistic? by MillMan

(5.00 / 3) #7 Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 12:04:01 PM EST

as in "I enjoy watching the democrats go down in flames" or "I love the bare truth" or? Please elaborate.
This may be the first class war in history where the victims will die laughing.
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Hmmm by theantix (3.00 / 1) #9 Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 12:12:46 PM EST

Neither, really. Just that (I gather) you've known for a while that the liberals will lose and you just sort of simmer as you watch it all go down. In other words, you weren't being overly optimistic... you embrace the side that is losing. Maybe that's not properly masochistic, I'm not good with definitions.

_{Sure, you've got the facts on your side -- but that's just your opinion.}
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actually by MillMan

(6.00 / 2) #16 Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 01:25:54 PM EST

my feeling were reflexted exactly by 606:

It seemed that the Kerry-ites, myself included, were not prepared for Bush to win. That is, I didn't think I was such a Kerry-ite, and I didn't think the outcome of the presidential election would matter to me. I thought "ah, well, if Bush wins again we'll just have to keep on going." But it was in that one instant just after Kerry conceded that all hope was lost. I suddenly realized that I had never conceived that Bush would win. The groundswell seemed to great, the mood was changing, there was a feeling of "we're not gonna take it anymore" in the air, and I didn't believe that Bush could survive in that atmosphere of what I perceived to be "logic".

This is exactly how I felt.
This may be the first class war in history where the victims will die laughing.
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I choose my words carefully here... by theantix (6.00 / 1) #20 Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 07:55:06 PM EST

You are more human than I gave you credit for. I had this idea of you "up on high" and put yourself beyond the fray. I'm sorry. For what it's worth, I felt the exact same way as 606... especially after seeing the exit polls winning in both FL and OH I thought it was a lock to get at least one. But you can't argue with the Diebold machines, now can you?

I predicted yesterday that Bush would win, but like you and 606 the implications of it didn't really sink in until later. But I'm okay with it now, I understand it. I'll deal.

_{Sure, you've got the facts on your side -- but that's just your opinion.}
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: heh by MillMan (3.00 / 0) #26 Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 05:02:28 AM EST

I do assume I'm smarter than average, but I take most people's opinions seriously. And in real life I'm pretty much a fuzzy bunny running through the meadow. I dont get upset too often.
This may be the first class war in history where the victims will die laughing.
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Aww, come on now by webwench

(3.00 / 2) #12 Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 12:23:34 PM EST

You're taking things a bit personally, aren't you?

_{"In deciding what course of action to take, I suggest you measure each option's merit by the loudness of whooping it would elicit from a roomful of black women named 'Laetibeyonc
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: ugh by MillMan (6.00 / 1) #13 Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 12:28:57 PM EST

We witnessed the death of the democratic party on Tuesday. I'm upset.
This may be the first class war in history where the victims will die laughing.
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Damnit. by terpia (5.25 / 4) #6 Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 12:03:55 PM EST

Sometimes, I just don't fit. <whispers to himself>Flat Taxes!</whisper>

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I wouldn't go so far as to call the cookie fat, I mean it's got a weight problem. What's the cookie gonna do? It's Samoan. -mns

Flat taxes. by Hide The Hamster (4.50 / 2) #8 Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 12:09:27 PM EST

15% like Hong Kong. Oh those war mongers!!!!
Co-founder of the Hoosey Wine and Spirits Kabal

Nah by theantix (4.00 / 1) #10 Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 12:15:23 PM EST

Better would to shift entirely to vice taxes, like Booze, Tobacco, Porn, and subscriptions to newspapers not owned by Rupert Murdoch. 500% across the board maybe? You don't support sin, now do you?

_{Sure, you've got the facts on your side -- but that's just your opinion.}
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I support vice and immoralism. by Hide The Hamster (3.00 / 1) #11 Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 12:16:55 PM EST

Co-founder of the Hoosey Wine and Spirits Kabal
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I'm sorry by theantix (4.00 / 2) #14 Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 12:38:10 PM EST

garlic has rated your post as a "3", so I'm not sure if I am allowed to respond to it.

_{Sure, you've got the facts on your side -- but that's just your opinion.}
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: Garlic is responsible for drduck. by Hide The Hamster (4.50 / 2) #15 Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 01:25:38 PM EST

Co-founder of the Hoosey Wine and Spirits Kabal
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: Simple solution by CrocoStimpy (3.00 / 1) #17 Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 03:44:19 PM EST

Whenever you rate garlic, just be sure to use his own scale.

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The republic of the United States of America by TheophileEscargot

(3.00 / 0) #18 Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 06:24:54 PM EST

Survived the Civil War. Survived Pearl Harbour. Survived World War 2 and the Korean war. Survived the Vietnam war and the cold war. Survived segregation and then desegregation. Survived Grenada, Panama, Somalia, the Bay of Pigs and many more.

Despite the opinions of theantix, the USA will survive the Iraq war and the second half of the Bush administration.

In real life, the politician who cuts taxes wins: the reasons voters give pollsters are rationalizations. The US has had Bush Jr., the UK had Thatcher. Canadians would vote the same way given the same choice. Deal.
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Butch and Petey are harsh and unforgiving in their estimation of female beauty.

Please enter a subject for your comment. by theantix (6.00 / 1) #19 Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 07:52:25 PM EST

Canadians would vote the same way given the same choice. Deal.

Sorry bub, but you are wrong about that. Our Conservative Party wanted to cut taxes, and the other parties won by suggesting that this would detract from health care -- this was the primary issue of the campaign, and they clearly rejected the lower tax option. I'm told the same is true of recent elections in Sweden. Does that effect your argument that short-sighted greed is a universal?

I'm not sure why you linked to that person's user instead of me? Was it a sly attempt to insult me by calling me a unexperienced teenager? In case you are unclear, I have never suggested that the USA will somehow be crushed and not survive the next four years. I have suggested in the past that there are other negative implications, but no matter how stoned or drunk I have been I don't think I have ever suggested anything close to that.

What we have witnessed is the permanent¹ shift in the way the rest of the world views the USA. Since they as foreigners don't automatically understand the America is Good axiom, they'll not keep up as Bush and his friends Crusade For Jesus and Justice. The implications of this are still sinking in. So while not a big deal, still a fairly big deal. But no, not the end of the world.

Notes:

1. Permenent in the medium term, of course not in the long term.

_{Sure, you've got the facts on your side -- but that's just your opinion.}
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: it's a standard straw man by infinitera (6.00 / 1) #24 Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 12:22:07 AM EST

If you disagree with "the mainstream" you must be a naive idealist who has not yet experienced the fickle world.
you are intellectually lazy and dishonest, unscrupulous, and in short lower than a troll — in adequate nathan
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: Yes by ucblockhead (3.00 / 0) #25 Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 04:46:54 AM EST

And certainly some very populous places like "California" and "New York" were perfectly happy voting against a tax-cutter.
I think some are missing a central difference between the Bush II years and the Reagan years. Reagan's support was geographically broad. It wasn't middle america vs. the west and north east back then.
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[ucblockhead is] useless and subhuman
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Ooh, hypertext by CwazyWabbit (3.00 / 0) #21 Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 08:37:22 PM EST

We should put more of that on web pages.

: are you cwazy? by martingale (5.00 / 2) #22 Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 08:55:17 PM EST

Look at all those ugly underlined words. Underlining is for typewriters, and that's why people use MS Word. What, you want to wipe out 10 years of webpage *design* and go back to underlines? Reactionary!
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$E(X_t|F_s) = X_s,\quad t > s$
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Hmm, it seems to me by Rogerborg (3.00 / 0) #23 Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 10:02:52 PM EST

That there might possibly still be just a tiny hint of USian politics in this diary.

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Metus amatores matrum compescit, non clementia.

: Just consider it the last vomit in a while by theantix (3.00 / 0) #27 Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 05:45:29 AM EST

At least on this particular subject. You can now resume your regular scheduled mockery.

_{Sure, you've got the facts on your side -- but that's just your opinion.}
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