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Welcome back, your submission at k5 by georgeha (3.00 / 0) #1 Fri Jan 02, 2004 at 12:05:45 PM EST

caused quite a to do here.

Wasn't me by Rogerborg (3.00 / 0) #3 Fri Jan 02, 2004 at 01:04:46 PM EST

I gave that account away to psychologist a long time ago, which rather supports my point about not believing a damn thing that you read anywhere.

In fact, I'm currently IP banned from K5 and can't even read it without going through a proxy. Doing that, I see that it's already gone. Was it anything fun?

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Metus amatores matrum compescit, non clementia.
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A quote from Blazing Saddles by georgeha (3.00 / 0) #4 Fri Jan 02, 2004 at 01:06:43 PM EST

where the railroad bossman asks why the Negroes don't sing as well since they were freed.

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k, thnx by Rogerborg (3.00 / 0) #6 Fri Jan 02, 2004 at 01:10:36 PM EST

Did anyone know the answer?

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Nope. by ObviousTroll (3.00 / 0) #19 Fri Jan 02, 2004 at 07:52:13 PM EST

Not even a proper "no body move or the N* gets it!"

"Forget it. Our military power is culturally based. They cannot rival us without becoming us." - Ralph Peters.
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N*? by TurboThy (3.00 / 0) #28 Sat Jan 03, 2004 at 12:23:27 PM EST

Isn't N* the complement set to N, the natural numbers?

Oh, and the proper quote is "Nobody move or the nigger gets it!"
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You can't fix anything, you can't change anything, so just tell them that everything is A. The Fuck OK. —Rogerborg
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Mock me at your peril!!1! by ObviousTroll (3.00 / 0) #29 Sat Jan 03, 2004 at 01:49:15 PM EST

After getting sent to racial re-education camp (I'm not kidding) for quoting that very line I have a certain pavlovian fear of the "n word".

:-P

"Forget it. Our military power is culturally based. They cannot rival us without becoming us." - Ralph Peters.
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: The land of the free... by TurboThy (3.00 / 0) #32 Sun Jan 04, 2004 at 03:07:41 AM EST

...as long as you do what you're told.
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You can't fix anything, you can't change anything, so just tell them that everything is A. The Fuck OK. —Rogerborg
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UGh... by MisterQueue (3.00 / 0) #2 Fri Jan 02, 2004 at 12:24:12 PM EST

hadn't checked there yet today... that's sickening for waay too many reasons, and that's coming from me.

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Witness a rare event by Cloaked User (3.00 / 0) #5 Fri Jan 02, 2004 at 01:10:07 PM EST

It is not often that I feel it wiser to keep my mouth shut on a subject, than to rant freely here, or on slashdot, or wherever.

This is one of those times, for if I start, I may not be able to stop.

Suffice it to say, that I am surprised and dismayed to find that the media are, in fact, worse than I thought. Until now, I hadn't considered that possible.

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This is not a psychotic episode. It is a cleansing moment of clarity.

: Cynical bugger that I am, even I was surprised by Rogerborg (3.00 / 0) #7 Fri Jan 02, 2004 at 01:28:29 PM EST

I've been abused, seen abuse, and turned down a couple of interviews because of it, but this is just so appallingly lazy and uncaring that it shocked even me. It's clear that whoever did this article just didn't care. Why spend a minute finding out about the real - genuine, touching, interesting and arguably important - story, when you can make up a puff piece to fit the picture in ten seconds?
Gaaaaaaaaa.

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Grow up by Gedvondur (3.22 / 9) #8 Fri Jan 02, 2004 at 01:31:36 PM EST

Disclaimer: I work in the media, albeit not the newspaper media.

Taking a stick to every person in the media here is not the most intelligent thing to do.

If they wanted better coverage, they needed to make clear the magnitude of what they were doing. If you want coverage, you have to know who to get a hold of and be able to get across that what your doing is important.

What Penny Arcade did was magnificent, but if they only let ONE newspaper know they were doing it, then THEY fucked up.

Local media guys are NOT clued into technology and they generally write for people with a sixth grade reading level.

If you want them to have a clue you HAVE to educate them.

This has to be the most fucked up media opinion that I have seen in YEARS. It reeks of ignorance, talk radio, and break-room bullshitting. Clearly you have never worked in, or even investigated how stories get promoted or printed.

You seem to think that the Catholic school's efforts should go unnoticed. That's not true

I would strongly suggest that you get a clue. Should the newspaper have done a better job? Damn straight. Should Penny Arcade done a better job making the reporter understand better? You bet.

It's up to everyone involved to make sure that good events like this are covered as much as possible. Just because one newspaper doesn't have the best practice, doesn't mean everyone is a hack.

Gedvondur
"I love my brain. It's the only organ I can afford to lose." --frijolito

Welcome, scum by Rogerborg (3.60 / 5) #9 Fri Jan 02, 2004 at 01:40:33 PM EST

You are beneath my contempt.

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: Ahhh... by Gedvondur (3.00 / 0) #30 Sat Jan 03, 2004 at 04:51:10 PM EST

I see. I hadn't realized you were simply a troll.
Too bad, it could have been a discussion.
Steven
"I love my brain. It's the only organ I can afford to lose." --frijolito
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yeah by tps12 (3.00 / 0) #10 Fri Jan 02, 2004 at 02:02:26 PM EST

I think you're probably right, though I really don't know what they did in the way of informing news organizations. I think the way you'd normally go about something like this would be to write up a press release and send them off to all the local news sources with some contact info. Then they can just quote the release liberally, send down someone to snap a roll of film, and everyone's happy.

My impression is that the Penny Arcade guys are sort of clueless outsiders when it comes to any sort of business or PR stuff. At least, they seem to portray themselves that way, and I think that image accounts for a lot of their appeal. But the reality is that it burns them sometimes.

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So then what you're saying by ad hoc (6.00 / 7) #11 Fri Jan 02, 2004 at 02:07:04 PM EST

is that a reporter has no obligation whatever to find out what happened? Why, then, is he called a "reporter"? What is he reporting? Why isn't he called a "fabricator" or something?

Besides, what does giving toys and money to charity have to do with technology? Are you saying a reporter needs to be educated about what charity is? (On second thought....)
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Right... by TurboThy (6.00 / 1) #12 Fri Jan 02, 2004 at 02:10:26 PM EST

on second thought, I won't even bother.
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You can't fix anything, you can't change anything, so just tell them that everything is A. The Fuck OK. —Rogerborg
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Wow by coryking (3.00 / 3) #13 Fri Jan 02, 2004 at 02:46:25 PM EST

whoever modded this down is an psuedo-intellectual ass. OH NO! SOMEBODY DISAGREES WITH ME!!!!!!!!
We are Siamese if you please. We are Siamese if you don't please.
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Moaning about moderation? by Cloaked User (3.00 / 0) #14 Fri Jan 02, 2004 at 03:00:58 PM EST

What do you think this is, slashdot?! ;-)

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No, he still thinks it's the k5 annex. by ObviousTroll (3.00 / 0) #21 Fri Jan 02, 2004 at 07:55:19 PM EST

"Forget it. Our military power is culturally based. They cannot rival us without becoming us." - Ralph Peters.
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: shit by infinitera (3.00 / 0) #24 Fri Jan 02, 2004 at 09:42:05 PM EST

Nobody told me it wasn't!

I was always taught to sin boldly. - gzt
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It was me by Rogerborg (5.00 / 1) #15 Fri Jan 02, 2004 at 03:23:57 PM EST

I don't like vermin leaving their droppings in my diaries.

I think it largely speaks for itself, in as much as it deliberately or through crass stupidity and lack of basic fucking research misinterprets the situation to fit the story that ratboy wants to tell - thus confirming my point nicely. It also explicitely confirms that you need a publicist to ensure that you don't get screwed, but attempts to spin it in a way that makes it sound like news reporting shouldn't be more than a PR outlet for hard bitten profession publicity seeking whores.

Contemptible, self justifying garbage.

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Metus amatores matrum compescit, non clementia.
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I'm just guessing by Canthros (6.00 / 1) #16 Fri Jan 02, 2004 at 04:23:36 PM EST

But I'd wager that PA went to pretty much zero effort on their own to publicize this. That said, the news media, if it wants any hope of being portrayed as an ethically upstanding and generally reliable source of information really has no-one else to blame for not checking their facs. It's not like Gabe and Tycho and company are going to misinform them about this.

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: Quite possibly. by ObviousTroll (3.00 / 0) #22 Fri Jan 02, 2004 at 07:59:57 PM EST

But it's hard to believe that the hospital doesn't have a PR flack and didn't try to publicize this.

"Forget it. Our military power is culturally based. They cannot rival us without becoming us." - Ralph Peters.
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Bullshit by ucblockhead (5.66 / 3) #17 Fri Jan 02, 2004 at 07:21:57 PM EST

I've been directly involved in two stories that hit the newspapers. Both times, the articles had numerous blatent errors that could have been avoided with a phone call or two.

Maybe not everyone's a hack. However, in every occasion I've been able to check on, the reporter's been a hack.
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: My experience by Rogerborg (3.00 / 0) #26 Sat Jan 03, 2004 at 12:51:00 AM EST

Is that even when you give the bastards everything that they need to write an accurate article, they go out of their way to fabricate. I mean, they actually sit there and think "Well, I could read this big bold bullet point fact sheet, or I could just pick the prettiest picture and stick the tag line on it that my readers expect to see. Which one gets me to lunch quicker?"
It's never been about anything that most people would consider important, but I think that's the point. They don't fake football scores, and they don't fake earthquakes. Everything else is fair game.

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Bullshit. by ObviousTroll (6.00 / 3) #20 Fri Jan 02, 2004 at 07:53:59 PM EST

It's the media's self-appointed task to educate the masses. Why, therefore, can't they educate themselves first?

"Forget it. Our military power is culturally based. They cannot rival us without becoming us." - Ralph Peters.
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No by webwench (6.00 / 3) #31 Sat Jan 03, 2004 at 06:40:41 PM EST

I think it's a reporter's job to spend the couple of minutes to figure out what his story is supposed to be. Reporters should not have to be fed their stories, line by line, and when they have the expectation they will have their information fed to them without any effort on their parts, I have to wonder why exactly he is getting paid.

I will paint all reporters with the same brush. Aside from a very few highly skilled writers who excel at their professions, most news media reporters are hacks. I will back this up by saying that just about any media report I've ever seen pertaining to a subject I know something about, the report is flat-out inaccurate crap, barely worth lining my bird cage.

No, I don't believe a reporter's job is to receive PRs in the mail and retype them in the form of an article for the next day's paper. And I think it's ridiculous that news media finds it necessary to write appropriately for average sixth-grade readers; in my opinion, this illustrates the lack of respect the news media has for its audience, and might also explain why many people no longer bother to read newspapers. The fact that you're in this industry in some unknown capacity, yet you still have this opinion, just illustrates my point.

^{Getting more attention than you since 1998. Ya ya!}
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I've never understood why people believe by ObviousTroll (3.00 / 0) #18 Fri Jan 02, 2004 at 07:50:48 PM EST

the press.

I mean, every news story I've ever been involved in was completely mangled by the press, so why should I think that they miraculously get everything else right?

I mean, if they can't get this story straight, why should I believe them when they say the FBI is targeting almanac users?

BTW - glad it wasn't you. Not that I mind trolling, but it was such a lame troll. I would have, you know, expected better.

"Forget it. Our military power is culturally based. They cannot rival us without becoming us." - Ralph Peters.

: My theory is that we're idiots by Rogerborg (3.00 / 0) #25 Sat Jan 03, 2004 at 12:44:45 AM EST

I do it too. Even though every experience I've had with them instructs me that they are creating works of fiction, I still tend to assume that there's probably a germ of truth at the core of most stories.
I don't know why I assume that. Probably because I believe that if I were a hack, I'd be different, that I'd try to ensure that. But I don't think that I would, because I wouldn't last long.

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Metus amatores matrum compescit, non clementia.
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No fucking kidding by Amtiskaw (6.00 / 1) #23 Fri Jan 02, 2004 at 08:03:23 PM EST

Yes, the vast majority of journalists, especially the more successful ones, are utter scum. Hypocritical, lying assholes, concerned only with where the next line of coke is coming from. Cynical little fucks who dash off their articles in the five minutes they have spare between sucking their corporate masters' cocks, scoring charlie from their dealer, and getting tanked down soem trendy bar with their fellow hacks, with whom they swap stories about the poor sods they fucked over today. Laziness, cynicism, incompetence and simple malice all combine to mean they write they whatever ill informed shit comes to their boozed up heads, all details changed to fit the prejudices of their readership, the demands of their editor and the complete lack of investigation they bothered to perform. Fortunately a word was created to describe this type of people, that word is "Cunt".

Attention Mr. Borg: by ti dave (3.00 / 0) #27 Sat Jan 03, 2004 at 01:47:30 AM EST

No surprises here. This is a Seattle rag we're talking about.

It doesn't get any better than that.

I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do.
The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. --W.S. Burroughs

Write in vote: by kwsNI (3.00 / 0) #33 Tue Jan 13, 2004 at 02:54:56 PM EST

The Pill ;-)

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