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John McCain didn't eat no fuckin' . . . by slozo (2.00 / 0) #9 Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 09:51:57 AM EST

. . . rat meat, fool. His role as a 'hero' (how can a POW who gave info to get better treatment be considered a hero?!?) is a fraud, plain and simple.
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/cin_declassified_landing.htm

And, to put it bluntly, he was a shit soldier.
httphttp://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/cin_mccain_lost_five_u.htm

No need to be respectful, btw, to any illegal invaders of a sovereign country.

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Illegal what of a sovereign who? by ammoniacal (4.00 / 1) #10 Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 09:56:54 AM EST

Viet Nam? You do know that they invited us into their country, right?

General rules are: All skirts no lower then [sic] two inches below the knee (unless it's for Church) --Travis Frey
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"they invited"? You'll have to . . . by slozo (2.00 / 0) #14 Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 10:15:19 AM EST

. . . elaborate on that fine bit of reasoning, my fiend.

I'll have to remember this, whenever I invite you into my house. I suppose I can expect indescriminate use of carpet bombs, horrible poisonous gas, and millions of landmines . . . hmm.

On second thought, change 'whenever' to 'if, hypothetically,'.

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Sure. by ammoniacal (2.00 / 0) #20 Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 12:06:49 PM EST

Eisenhower's Letter of Support to Ngo Dinh Diem, October 23, 1954.

Dear Mr. President:
I have been following with great interest the course of developments in Viet-Nam, particularly since the conclusion of the conference at Geneva. The implications of the agreement concerning Viet-Nam have caused grave concern regarding the future of a country temporarily divided by an artificial military grouping, weakened by a long and exhausting war and faced with enemies without and by their subversive collaborations within. Your recent requests for aid to assist in the formidable project of the movement of several hundred thousand loyal Vietnamese citizens away from areas which are passing under a de facto rule and political ideology which they abhor, are being fulfilled. I am glad that the United States is able to assist in this humanitarian effort. We have been exploring ways and means to permit our aid to Viet-Nam to be more effective and to make a greater contribution to the welfare and stability of the government of Viet-Nam. I am, accordingly, instructing the American Ambassador to Viet-Nam to examine with you in your capacity as Chief of Government, how an intelligent program of American aid given directly to your government can serve to assist Viet-Nam in its present hour of trial, provided that your Government is prepared to give assurances as to the standards of performance it would be able to maintain in the event such aid were supplied. The purpose of this offer is to assist the Government of Viet-Nam in developing and maintaining a strong, viable state, capable of resisting attempted subversion or aggression through military means. The Government of the United States expects that this aid will be met by performance on the part of the Government of Viet-Nam in undertaking needed reforms. It hopes that such aid, combined with your own continuing efforts, will contribute effectively toward an independent Viet-Nam endowed with a strong government. Such a government would, I hope, be so responsive to the nationalist aspirations of its people, so enlightened in purpose and effective in performance, that it will be respected both at home and abroad and discourage any who might wish to impose a foreign ideology on your free people.

Sincerely,
Dwight D. Eisenhower

This, of course, follows the the SEATO treaty protocol, also signed by the government of Viet-Nam.

General rules are: All skirts no lower then [sic] two inches below the knee (unless it's for Church) --Travis Frey
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You missed a word by BadDoggie (2.00 / 0) #22 Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 12:24:27 PM EST

This, of course, follows the the SEATO treaty protocol, also signed by the PUPPET government of Viet-Nam.

Installed by the French as soon as they got their own country back from the Nazis.

woof.

OMG WE'RE FUCKED! -- duxup ?
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Consistency Check: by ammoniacal (2.00 / 0) #24 Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 12:36:50 PM EST

Was the DDR a PUPPET government of the Soviet Union?

General rules are: All skirts no lower then [sic] two inches below the knee (unless it's for Church) --Travis Frey
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Puppet? No. by BadDoggie (2.00 / 0) #26 Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 01:24:54 PM EST

They certainly sucked up at least as much as any other Soviet client but the gubmint wasn't installed and run by Moscow nor were the majority of the people agin' it. The one thing that pisses off more former East Germans is that while they wanted more openness, they didn't want their country to disappear.

woof.

OMG WE'RE FUCKED! -- duxup ?
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You believe that? Seriously? by ammoniacal (2.00 / 0) #27 Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 02:15:12 PM EST

YES, THE POST-WAR OSSIES WERE IN FULL-ON FREEEEEEEDOM BOYCOTT MODE.

General rules are: All skirts no lower then [sic] two inches below the knee (unless it's for Church) --Travis Frey
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: YA RLY by BadDoggie (4.00 / 1) #30 Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 02:56:44 PM EST

There's a difference between a "satellite" and a "puppet state", the latter being nothing but a mouthpiece for the foreign government. It was true that Soviet influence was great but the Kremlin didn't dictate most DDR government actions beyond the continually increasing reparations demands and the alignment of the SED goals with those of the Communist Party in Mother Russia.^
woof.
OMG WE'RE FUCKED! -- duxup ?
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And by 'they' you mean by BadDoggie (4.00 / 1) #19 Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 12:02:21 PM EST

the French puppet government which took advantage of Ike's Domino Theory policy, right? Or did you mean the whores? Because I don't know of any other Vietnamese who wanted the Yanks there.

woof.

OMG WE'RE FUCKED! -- duxup ?
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NO by ammoniacal (2.00 / 0) #21 Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 12:09:43 PM EST

BY "THEY", I MEAN OTHER THAN THE VIETNAMESE PEOPLE WHO MAKE YOUR PHO, NOT THAT YOU KNOW ANY OTHER VIETNAMESE PEOPLE.

General rules are: All skirts no lower then [sic] two inches below the knee (unless it's for Church) --Travis Frey
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: Only one Japanese restaurant makes pho here by BadDoggie (2.00 / 0) #23 Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 12:26:17 PM EST

But there were a fuckload of refugee kids in my school in DC starting in 1972. But you know that I'm famous for posting on topics I know absolutely nothing about.
woof.
OMG WE'RE FUCKED! -- duxup ?
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: The ones that don't make pho? by theboz (2.00 / 0) #33 Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 04:24:43 PM EST

Do you mean the ones that give the "body massages", the ones that do nails and hairdressing, or the ones that go around shooting people in the streets to show off their AZN PRIDE? (I joke by the way, as I have some good Vietnamese friends.)
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That's what I always say about you, boz, you have a good memory for random facts about pussy. -- joh3n
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No by ucblockhead (2.00 / 0) #36 Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 07:22:50 PM EST

The Vietnamese army officers who tricked the CIA into helping them take over.
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swift boating was disgusting by dev trash (2.00 / 0) #38 Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 08:01:27 PM EST

when it was used against John Kerry and it's disgusting now.

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: I agree wholeheartedly by BadDoggie (2.00 / 0) #40 Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 06:46:04 AM EST

Except that no one is trying to rewrite history about McCain's service. His stance on policy -- specifically that concerning the illegality and abhorrence of torture -- has changed in his attempts to hold onto the neocon vote.
woof.
OMG WE'RE FUCKED! -- duxup ?
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: That website has been up . . . by slozo (2.00 / 0) #41 Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 07:31:16 AM EST

. . . for much longer than John McCain's presidential run, and is run by Vietnam veterans who have just as much a right to voice their opinions. Have you seen some of the videos on it? This isn't a smear job, this is a bunch of half truths and lies uncovered . . .
Ignorance is disgusting. If you can prove me ignorant of McCain's heroic past with some form of decent evidence, be my guest, please . . .

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