No sex ed in the schools by blixco (4.00 / 5) #6 Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 04:42:39 PM EST
in the 60s, but also society was not as supportive / celebrative of promiscuous sex.

Sex used to be taboo.  Hell, I could count on one finger the number of girls in my junior high who were known to have given oral sex.

And that was the 80s.  Nowadays, my nephew insists its a common practice among 13 year old girls.

Common.  So, we have a society that is leaning toward more open discussion of and more open marketing of and more open acceptance of sex, which is just fine as long as you 1) acknowledge it and 2) also teach about it, both how to be safe and how to avoid it.

Instead we have our normal psychotic response to sex: society talks about it, is exposed to it in huge amounts (just marketing alone!), but 'officially' we treat sex like nuclear waste: yeah, it's there, but we don't want to talk about it, publicly assess it, or make any sort of issue of it.  Maybe because our leadership is caught in some sort of time warp where kids don't have sex.

Our policies are socially retarded.  There is so little official knowledge of the current state of scoety that, hey, most of us are in jail for drug offenses that don't mesh with reality, we go to war without any sort of rational cause, and we encourage our kids to have unsafe sex by pretending they don't have sex.

That's pretty fucked up, right there.
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I also grew up in the eighties by lm (4.00 / 2) #7 Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 06:08:10 PM EST
Sure, none of the young women I `went out' with were known to have given oral sex ...

There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
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And nowadays by blixco (4.00 / 1) #9 Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 06:37:32 PM EST
they would be known to do so.
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as a counter ... by R343L (4.00 / 1) #11 Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 07:10:01 PM EST
I once interviewed my grandmother for a junior high project and I asked her about sex. She said of course lots of teenagers were having sex (of many kinds) but no one admitted it. She was openly derisive of the idea that teenagers weren't having sex when she was growing up (she admitted that she had sex as a teen and was not married of course). Now, she didn't say how many partners people typically had (I doubt she could really have data -- no one talked that much), but .. I don't think we can definitively say there is more teenage sex now (though I myself would assume they are having more), but we can probably can definitively say they (and we) talk about it more.

Also, regarding the oral sex thing .. I would bet quite a few girls who claim they give head aren't actually -- it's one of the few ways girls now can pretend to be relatively chaste (in the good way -- no penetrative sex) but not be looked down on (no sex at all which means you are too ugly/unpopular/prudish to get some). (This is very similar to teenage boys claiming more "conquests" than they have actually had.)

"it's been a long time since i let self doubt keep me from doing anything. much to the chagrin of those who have to observe the consequences." -- 256
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