cause and effect by lm (4.00 / 1) #5 Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 04:42:36 PM EST
How much of an increase has there been in that age bracket over ten years ago and how much of that increase is due to more widespread testing for STDs?

I suspect that most teens don't pay attention to sex ed regardless of what source material is used.


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Well by riceowlguy (2.00 / 0) #8 Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 06:36:24 PM EST
according to the article, this the first time a comprehensive nationwide study has been made on the subject in this age bracket, so we don't really know.

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don't get me wrong by lm (2.00 / 0) #12 Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 07:12:15 PM EST
I'm not about to argue that the federally subsidized abstinence only curriculum is a good thing. I just think it has less of an impact than quite a few other factors such as: increasing urbanization; de-stigmatization of single parenthood; de-stigmatization of sexual promiscuity; real decreases in wages for jobs that don't require college education; increased awareness of and testing for STDs; greater access to medical care for children under the age of 18; desensitization to HIV.

I suspect that most of the sex-ed curriculum goes goes in one ear and right out the other of most teens just like the curriculum for most other subjects does for most teens.


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The Washington Post has some interesting anecdotes by lm (2.00 / 0) #14 Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 08:29:29 AM EST
STD Data Come as No Surprise, Area Teenagers Say

Interesting snippets.

From a student:

"A lot of girls fall in love, and it doesn't seem they care about protection," she said yesterday. "It's 'What am I going to enjoy right now?' Or they'll say, 'I know he hasn't been with anybody. . . . He's clean.' Or, 'He'll stop before we go too far.' "

From a doctor:

"Kids are not comfortable disclosing what they do," she said. "Or when they do come in, every single one will tell you they or their partner are using a condom. Obviously, many are not."

From a school administrator:

We got the message out about preventing pregnancy," said Molly Love, who works with teens and young adults at a nonprofit health clinic in Silver Spring. "Perhaps young women learned about birth control at the expense of using condoms. Young women don't think as much about the risk of STDs as they do the risks of getting pregnant."

Of the kids having sex (at least in the cities, I'll concede ignorance about rural areas) the problem is abstinence only sex ed curricula. Most know how STDs get passed around. The problem is  that the kids having sex aren't even making use of what knowledge they do have.


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Condoms by riceowlguy (2.00 / 0) #16 Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 09:22:16 AM EST
Yeah, kids do dumb things.  However, I think that another major problem is that access to condoms is limited.  Kids would be more likely to use them if they had them.  Lots of stores keep them behind glass and make you ask somebody for them.  Many teens might be afraid that the pharmacist or whomever would refuse to sell them to a minor or give them some lecture, regardless of what the actual law or store policy is.  Condom distribution in schools makes sense to me, and it's another measure that the religious right thinks is abhorrent because it makes it seem like we're encouraging them to get out there and screw.

Of course, condoms don't help (or don't protect completely) with the main disease found in the study, HPV, so I don't know how helpful that would actually be.  What would help?  Mandatory STD testing for kids over a certain age?  Vaccination?  Cold showers?  Chasity belts?

My main point is that the article makes it clear that kids are having sex whether we tell them to or not, and it's time to address the problem from a public health perspective, not a moral perspective.

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I don't know about where you live by lm (2.00 / 0) #18 Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 01:37:44 PM EST
But in Ohio, condoms are available everywhere from the vending machines in gas station restrooms to the grocery store. I don't think anyone can seriously make the availability argument in most of the US. There may be some small communities where there is limited availability, but in most of the country they're more than readily available.

My main point is that the article makes it clear that kids are having sex whether we tell them to or not, and it's time to address the problem from a public health perspective, not a moral perspective.

That's a reasonable position, but it bears little resemblance to what your point appeared to be. It certainly looked to me like the main point of this diary was that the rise in STDs in teens is the direct consequence of abstinence only sex-ed curricula pushed by various groups.

The truth of the matter is that there are multiple causes and it isn't clear what (if any) policy would actually help.


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Cicero, The Republic
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Check the pregnacy rates as well by wumpus (2.00 / 0) #19 Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 11:01:49 AM EST
Teenage pregnancy steadily went down from a high in the 1950s till Bush took office. Somehow I think this well correlates with unsafe sex and doesn't require as much external testing.

Wumpus

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I don't think I made that argument by lm (2.00 / 0) #20 Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 02:34:28 PM EST
I honestly have no clue about pregnancy statistics. I'm also certainly willing to concede that teens these days may be having more unprotected sex than when Bush first took office.

My doubts are whether or not particular sex ed programs are the cause of this rise.


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Cicero, The Republic
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Also, where do you get your numbers? by lm (2.00 / 0) #21 Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 02:44:12 PM EST
The Washington Post reports that teen sexual activity  and teenage pregnancies rose steadily through the eighties until peaking in 1990, then they declined until 2001 when they plateaued. There has not been a significant increase in either metric since.

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Okay, I found an increase in the 2006 numbers by lm (2.00 / 0) #22 Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 02:57:45 PM EST
The number of teenage pregnancies did increase in 2006 over 2005 by a small amount (3%). So five years after Bush took office and over ten years after the Republicans took control of congress, there was a small increase in the level of teen pregnancies. As much of a fan as I am of blaming all of the problems the US faces on the Republicans, this one is a stretch.

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Cicero, The Republic
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