Consider these regimes: by MohammedNiyalSayeed (2.00 / 0) #66 Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 04:45:47 PM EST

Pol Pot, Nikolai Ceausescu, Li Si, António Salazar, Idi Amin, Jean-Claude Duvalier, and Enver Hoxha. Of them, Salazar was almost "elected" (if you count appointment by your friends who held a coup as "election"), and all of them were actually fascist, totalitarian state leaders.

That I addressed concerns that were not yours does not indicate that I am unaware of what you were saying. It indicates that what I am arguing against (eg: the claim that America is "moving towards fascism") is incorrect, and that I am not straying from that point.


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You can build the most elegant fountain in the world, but eventually a winged rat will be using it as a drinking bowl.
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Let's take the non-fascists off that list by lm (4.00 / 1) #77 Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 06:07:23 PM EST
Pol Pot, Nikolai Ceausescu, Li Si, António Salazar, Idi Amin, Jean-Claude Duvalier, and Enver Hoxha

It takes an authoritarian regime to be fascist, but not every authoritarian regime is fascist. Most of the dictators you mentioned don't have the corporatism that is one of the central tenets of fascism. Others lack the collectivism. Others like the populism. Some are simply petty thugs with no real ideology.


There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
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OK. by MohammedNiyalSayeed (2.00 / 0) #90 Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 10:24:19 PM EST

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You can build the most elegant fountain in the world, but eventually a winged rat will be using it as a drinking bowl.
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Go read about Duvalier's backers and by Horatio Hellpop (4.00 / 1) #102 Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 01:34:42 AM EST
put him back on that list.
When there's only 7 millionaire families in your country, it's pretty easy to make rich friends.

"You can't really know something until you ruin it for everyone." -some guy who used to have an account here
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IAWTP by blixco (4.00 / 1) #108 Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 10:00:46 AM EST
in that this man has hardcore firsthand knowledge of what he speaks.
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There's a better case for Papa Doc than Baby Doc by lm (4.00 / 1) #109 Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 10:03:07 AM EST
Jean Claude was more a kleptocrat than a fascist, and barely that. Most of all he was a playboy clown that wanted little to do with government other than spending the money it made.

Granted, a state can be fascist and a kleptocracy. But it seems fairly clear to me that by the time the Duvalier's voluntarily went into exile that virtually all the fascist elements of the government had decayed into chaos. If MNS has listed Francois Duvalier, I'd probably not have crossed him off the list.


There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
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