Could you take a poll by ad hoc (4.00 / 2) #7 Mon Nov 26, 2007 at 06:24:28 PM EST
in your Sunday school class? I'll yield to the consensus.
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The three things that make a diamond also make a waffle.
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At this point . . . by Christopher Robin was Murdered (4.00 / 2) #9 Mon Nov 26, 2007 at 06:28:24 PM EST
I'm not sure a single kid in my Sunday school believes in anything holy. That's what the religion gets for lettin' me teach.

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But the theological implications are enormous! by ad hoc (4.00 / 1) #11 Mon Nov 26, 2007 at 06:58:29 PM EST
Perhaps some research could be done into what is an equivalent swear for various doctrines: trinitarianism, binitarianism, unitarianism, Arianism, agnosticism, and whatever other isms you can come up with.

Sounds like a good project for school break.
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The three things that make a diamond also make a waffle.
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Trini/bini/uni -tarianism doesn't matter by lm (4.00 / 1) #22 Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 12:15:04 PM EST
What matters in this case is Christology. Most Christian trinitarians, binitarians and unitarians accept the dual natures (divine and human) of Christ. For the Arians, Nestorians, and Jehovah's Witnesses, the chance is simply to substitute `Christ' for `God'. For the docetists and Gnostics there really is no equivalent.

The odd ones out are the few Christian groups that accept both (a) the dual natures of Jesus Christ, (b) the doctrine of original sin but deny either (c) the immaculate conception or (d) the perpetual virginity of Mary. If you accept both (a) and (b) then either (c) or (d) will defeat the holiness of the mother of God. In the traditional Reformed world, this will get you Calvinists and the like who deny the immaculate conception. In the modern Reformed world, you've got all sorts of groups that reject the perpetual virginity but I have to concede that I don't know how many of these accept the doctrine of original sin.

But there is an unspoken assumption here, that the use of the phrase as swearing is predicated on the utterer believing in its truth value. Perhaps it would become all the more pertinent as a term of swearing if the person uttering the oath thought it was blasphemy.


There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
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You missed the point. by ad hoc (4.00 / 2) #29 Tue Nov 27, 2007 at 01:51:39 PM EST

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