XKCD has to be the best comic evar. by mrgoat (4.00 / 2) #3 Wed Oct 10, 2007 at 08:50:30 AM EST
"Instead of office chair, package contained bobcat. Would not buy again."

Re: Radiohead - I wish to see more bands doing this. I wonder exactly how much more of my money they get if I pay them $20 for the album, than they would have on-label.

Years pass, things change, you end up living in Kansas. But the bag of dicks never leaves your side... - blixco
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19.99 [nt] by debacle (4.00 / 1) #4 Wed Oct 10, 2007 at 09:20:44 AM EST


"I'm very responsive to certain stimuli, and pain is pretty much at the top of that list." - BadDoggie

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Cool, thanks. by mrgoat (4.00 / 1) #5 Wed Oct 10, 2007 at 09:22:46 AM EST
I've always heard vague values like "pennies", "a few cents", or "maybe a dime, if they've paid back the advance".

Years pass, things change, you end up living in Kansas. But the bag of dicks never leaves your side... - blixco
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Beware by debacle (4.00 / 1) #6 Wed Oct 10, 2007 at 09:26:42 AM EST
Grandparent comment is coated in fecal matter as it was just removed from my ass.

"I'm very responsive to certain stimuli, and pain is pretty much at the top of that list." - BadDoggie

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It is happening by ucblockhead (4.00 / 1) #10 Wed Oct 10, 2007 at 11:01:57 AM EST
Nine Inch Nails is going to do it as well now that Reznor is at the end of his contract.

Basically, these guys realized that 10 million sales x $0.25/album is less than 1 million sales times $9/album.
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I heard about that. by mrgoat (4.00 / 1) #16 Wed Oct 10, 2007 at 11:47:35 AM EST
So in that regard, I'm hoping he goes back to putting out good music again, instead of Year Zero. Year Zero was worth, like, five bucks. Here's to hoping he was just running out the album contract.

Years pass, things change, you end up living in Kansas. But the bag of dicks never leaves your side... - blixco
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MC Hammer by LinDze (4.00 / 2) #31 Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 01:59:07 AM EST
was making more selling out of the trunk of his car after concerts than when he was on a "real" label

-Lin Dze
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Funny though by gazbo (4.00 / 1) #33 Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 05:52:39 AM EST
That the bands doing it are the hugely rich, extremely famous bands with a huge fanbase and the means to record/mix/master an album with their own money.

Also, you may wish to adjust your equation to take account of residuals.


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Bad for the midlist by ucblockhead (4.00 / 1) #34 Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 11:43:46 AM EST
The two groups that can make money doing this are famous artists who don't need marketting/distribution (like Radiohead) and quirky niche artists who would have trouble getting signed at all (like Jonathan Coulton.) (The latter shows that the means to record/mix/master an album is no longer out of the reach of individuals.)

Residuals don't really apply to music. It is all an issue of units sold. (Ignoring concerts and merchandising.)

Of the three broad types of media (movies and TV, books, music) musicians get, by far, the worst deals.
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Well, there are the songwriting royalties by leviramsey (2.00 / 0) #43 Thu Oct 11, 2007 at 10:06:12 PM EST

...mostly from radio airplay and so forth, as well as digital performance royalties (which increase markedly if you own the underlying copyright, though there is provision for even the backup singers on the record to get a piece of that action). Those streams are why guys like Liberty DeVitto sue Billy Joel... if you write a song that manages to become a core song for a nostalgia-based radio format you can probably count on at least $30k a year for a couple of decades without having to lift a finger.

The limiting factor for this is, of course, the continued existence and health of said radio format. Given that advertisers have not historically been willing to spend much to court the 55-plus demo and that musical taste tends to get fairly fixed between the ages of 12 and 15 and that interest in active discovery of new artists, etc. peaks around 18 to 20, the nostalgia portion of a station's playlist is thus roughly governed by looking at the end-points of the station's target demographic. Oldies radio, for instance targets 40-54. The bulk of the playlist will thus be newer than 42 years old (because the 54 year-olds were 12 42 years ago) and older than 22 years old (because the 40 year-olds were 18 22 years ago).

When you look at it this way, you see why Oldies radio is in "crisis". The core of the playlist now covers 1965-1985, roughly, and probably the best output of the period is the older stuff which doesn't gel well with the good stuff from the later period. I've maintained for a while that CBS flipped most of their Oldies stations to Jack because Jack skews a little younger (the format is basicaly '70s & '80s hits with stuff from other decades that works within that; a song from 1970 to 1992 or thereabouts only needs to have charted to justify itself in that format) and solves the problem of going from the Beatles to Bon Jovi by abandoning any claim to format consistency. Where the Oldies stations have returned, they've essentially gone to the 1965-1985 playbook; anything pre-British Invasion has been tossed out.

Classic Rock will be dealing with this question next. Hendrix, the Stones, the Who, the Doors, Zeppelin, etc. will probably be spared from the purge, but less well-known classic rock from pre-1975 will be gradually deemphasized over the next few years. The question is whether the format's programmers can find a way to integrate grunge into the mix without pissing off the legacy listeners or whether they'll stick their head in the sand and ride the dinosaurs into the sunset. In that event, we'll probably see a '90s-based classic rock format sweep the country in the coming years... using the 12/18 rule the oldest listeners for that format are now about 35 and the youngest are on the cusp of 18. The question is whether mainstream/active/alternative will contort itself into that format before the classic rock formats do.

However, returning to the original point, those streams earn revenue at a statutory rate, so you're not giving them up by going independent.


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What I was getting at by gazbo (4.00 / 1) #44 Fri Oct 12, 2007 at 11:49:40 AM EST
Was that all of that sweet, sweet airplay doesn't just happen by accident.  A record company works and pays fucking hard to get songs on radio and TV.  It's all publicity to generate sales (to benefit them) but it's also royalties in the pockets of the songwriters.  Big royalties.

I think what I'm trying to get at is that the record industry - in dire need of renovation as it is - is not a useless and defunct leech.  If it  didn't exist, somebody certainly would have to invent it.  Radio stations deal with label publicists, record shops* deal with big distributors.  In a world where every band went independent, it would be days before companies sprang up offering promotion services (in exchange for a cut, of course) and months before radio stations refused to even speak to anyone except these companies, as it's just too much of a waste of their time.

*Okay, I guess it's entirely possible that the concept of a record shop may well become irrelevant in the not too distant future.


"Engarde!" cried the larvae, huskily. - Scrymarch

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Second best after qwantz by theantix (4.00 / 2) #14 Wed Oct 10, 2007 at 11:40:39 AM EST
But I particularly enjoyed today's SQL injection comic featuring little Bobby Tables.

Re: dollars, I don't think debacle is very far off.  And my favourite comment so far is that music prices have been on the honour system for quite some time, but this is the first time it's been openly acknowledged.
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xkcd is teh funny by ShadowNode (4.00 / 2) #26 Wed Oct 10, 2007 at 05:26:21 PM EST
Look here and here. The second link is not worksafe.

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No one else, by mrgoat (4.00 / 2) #29 Wed Oct 10, 2007 at 07:02:29 PM EST
Could do a stick figure comic, and get pictures of naked people in showers in porno poses with guitars, in response.

Let it be a challenge then: If you think you love your favorite webcomic, send attractive, naked, pictures of people of the sex the writer is attracted to, in the shower, with a guitar.

Anyone who can prove they got more than Randall Munroe, wins.

Years pass, things change, you end up living in Kansas. But the bag of dicks never leaves your side... - blixco
--top hat--
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