That's quite a long list by lm (2.00 / 0) #13 Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 01:48:49 PM EST
And it's headlined by Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.

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Bullshit. by ObviousTroll (2.00 / 0) #14 Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 01:55:23 PM EST
Show me a single news report of King Abdullah vowing to wipe Israel off the map.

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Instead, I'll simply observe that ... by lm (2.00 / 0) #15 Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 02:04:32 PM EST
... King Abdullah is not the whole of the Saudi Arabian government and that Saudi Arabia has never recognized Israel's right to exist as a nation. Nor does that cover Pakistan or many other countries in the region.

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He has ADVISORS, that's it. by ammoniacal (2.00 / 0) #17 Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 02:30:31 PM EST
Saudi Arabia is a monarchy headed by King Abdullah Bin Abdul Aziz, Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques and Head of State.

In Normal Reality, not Malatestia, Abdullah is the Saudi government.

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So the Saudi government only takes actions ... by lm (2.00 / 0) #18 Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 02:46:34 PM EST
... that the King has publicly pronounced on?

I don't think so. In the real world no nation as large as Saudi Arabia can function like a small feudal estate. Aside from the Saudi cabinet chock full of ministers that make real policy decisions, the legislative council of ministers, and the Saudi council of clerics that is the head of jurisprudence, there is the multi-layered bureaucracy that exists in any large nation.


There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
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Be a Saudi Minister who contradicts Abdullah. by ammoniacal (2.00 / 0) #21 Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 03:57:39 PM EST
Go ahead. I dare you.

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Irrelevant by lm (2.00 / 0) #22 Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 04:04:54 PM EST
Unless you're arguing that King Abdullah has thrown Saudia Arabia's lot in with Egypt vis a vis recognizing Israel as a sovereign nation. My position isn't that King Abdullah isn't the head of state in a monarchy. My position is that Saudi Arabia has a good deal of policy that hasn't been explicitly promulgated by King Abdullah in a public forum.

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Cicero, The Republic
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You're right. by ammoniacal (2.00 / 0) #24 Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 04:42:53 PM EST
My position is that Saudi Arabia has a good deal of policy that hasn't been explicitly promulgated by King Abdullah in a public forum.

In fact, it's all trapped inside his cranium, and it's the law once he ejects it from there.

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Bah. by ObviousTroll (2.00 / 0) #32 Thu Sep 14, 2006 at 11:41:45 PM EST
Nice bait and switch.

First you claim that the House of Saud has called for Israel's destruction, now you merely point out that Saudia Arabia hasn't recognized Israel. There's quite a bit of ground between those two poles, you know.

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I'm not the one that changed the subject by lm (2.00 / 0) #40 Fri Sep 15, 2006 at 08:07:43 AM EST
First, and most importantly, I'm not the one conflating the House of Saud with the hole of the Saudi Arabian government. Consequently, claiming that I said anything about the House of Saud clamoring for Israel's destruction is not only untrue, it's prima facie irrelevant.

Second, my response to ammo was meant as a direct response to his challenging the fact that Saudi Arabia has a functional government. Trying to say that something I said in that thread is baiting and switching is a logical error because I wasn't addressing the same question. You would be right to point it out if I were contradicting myself, but I'm not. The two separate assertions (Saudi Arabia doesn't recognize Israel's sovereignty and Saudi Arabia has a policy of destroying Israel at the first opportunity) are not contradictory in the slightest.


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