well by aphrael (2.00 / 0) #7 Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 06:29:16 PM EST
the math error does sort of undermine your point.

as for the cigarette tax: i haven't read the law, i've merely skimmed it. I don't object in principle to taxes on cigarettes whose revenue are dedicated to health programs designed to treat diseases for which smoking is a factor; but I'm not going to defend the law until i've read the specifics.

Where do you stand on making registered sex offenders wear GPS monitoring devices for the rest of their life, and not letting them live in urban areas?

If television is a babysitter, the internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up.
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Crap, and I was soooooo close to persuading you! by MohammedNiyalSayeed (2.00 / 0) #11 Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 06:40:39 PM EST

I'm opposed to tax, firstly, and secondly, I'm opposed to specific taxes that target groups for paying extra, when the money will only be squandered by governmental inefficiency. Further, I don't think supporters of the law are even pretending that the money is going to anything remotely related to smoking, or problems caused by smoking. It's just another example of legislators trying to influence behavior by making things cost prohibitive, and lining their own pockets, and it's particularly offensive as it moves things away from anyone having any personal responsibility or rights concerning their own lives. If I want to smoke, it is my business. It is not the government's job to try and be my Mom; I already have one of those.

As for GPS monitoring of sex offenders, I am against it. It sounds costly, and I've got a pretty good bet who they expect to pay for that. If parents of children want to track perverts, let them do it on their own dime, allowing responsible non-overpopulating infidels to continue their lives without having to chip in more money to protect other people's kids. Which brings me back to my Campaign 2008 Motto: Don't Do The Time If You Didn't Do the Crime!


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You can build the most elegant fountain in the world, but eventually a winged rat will be using it as a drinking bowl.
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I can respect by aphrael (2.00 / 0) #12 Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 06:44:02 PM EST
I can respect the position that specific taxes which target specific groups are a bad idea, unless that tax in some way directly benefits the people in question. (That is, gas taxes to fund road construction are ok. gas taxes to fund public transit are questionable, and gas taxes to fund stem cell research are not ok).

what i've seen of the text of the initiative is that the money will go primarily to two things:
  *  medical research targeted to smoking-related diseases
  *  anti-smoking plans.

since i haven't read it, though, i don't know how realistic it is, and whether or not i vote for the measure will depend heavily on whether the financial allocations seem legitimate or they seem  to be polite fictions.

As for the GPS monitoring thing: holy crap, we agree on something!

If television is a babysitter, the internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up.
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To save you some time by theantix (4.00 / 1) #16 Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 07:01:27 PM EST
mns bases his public policy ideas not based on what is reasonable for society, but on what would be best for him in the immediate-term time frame.  So addressing the abstract ideas of who should and shouldn't be taxed for what purpose doesn't really matter here, just that it's a tax that he pays and doesn't like to do that no matter what else.
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quite possibly. by aphrael (2.00 / 0) #19 Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 07:09:58 PM EST
doesn't mean we can't have a discussion about what's best for society.


If television is a babysitter, the internet is a drunk librarian who won't shut up.
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Coincidentally, by MohammedNiyalSayeed (4.00 / 1) #22 Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 07:11:18 PM EST

What's best for me is best for society.


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You can build the most elegant fountain in the world, but eventually a winged rat will be using it as a drinking bowl.
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that's not necessarily true. by aphrael (2.00 / 0) #26 Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 07:15:11 PM EST
If you're me, it's true by MohammedNiyalSayeed (4.00 / 1) #29 Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 07:17:26 PM EST

And I am!


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You can build the most elegant fountain in the world, but eventually a winged rat will be using it as a drinking bowl.
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Actually, it does mean that by theantix (2.00 / 0) #36 Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 08:15:20 PM EST
Discussions are two-way conversations.  :-)  I am pointing out that the what's best for society ideas are all flowing one way.  But with that in mind, be my guest I certainly won't complain.
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right. by garlic (4.00 / 1) #37 Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 08:20:54 PM EST
they can certainly be interesting discussions with MNS, but realize that it'll only come back to haunt you when he's president.

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Your words ring with the wisdom by MohammedNiyalSayeed (2.00 / 0) #41 Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 09:06:30 PM EST

of a future cabinet member, good sir.


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You can build the most elegant fountain in the world, but eventually a winged rat will be using it as a drinking bowl.
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I appreciate the offer. by garlic (2.00 / 0) #52 Thu Aug 24, 2006 at 11:07:57 PM EST
Now I have to decide if you're the type who would send his ministers to siberia.

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