so what you're saying is by martingale (2.00 / 0) #13 Fri Jul 07, 2006 at 06:01:59 AM EST
that you don't believe infallible people exist? Even among the 6 billion of us?
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Well by R Mutt (2.50 / 2) #17 Fri Jul 07, 2006 at 06:13:24 AM EST
Firstly, rational beliefs are based on data. A rational person will learn new things, encounter new data and arguments. If that doesn't cause something to change, there's something wrong with him.

Secondly, the world changes: what works politically or economically in one decade might not work in another. A rational person may well have to change his ideas to say "well X would have worked, but in this new situation we need Y instead."

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you're skirting the question by martingale (2.00 / 0) #18 Fri Jul 07, 2006 at 06:56:07 AM EST
Surely, a belief is not intertwined with data as such? Analogously, a summary of a book isn't the book itself, but separate from it.

There are examples of beliefs which turn out to be correct without needing any data at all. The classic example is the existence of atoms, which some greek philosophers believed in without ever being exposed to evidence for or against them.

Such a philosopher, if he had been exposed to evidence for atoms, would have seen his beliefs confirmed. The opposite, being exposed to evidence that the world is not composed of atoms, cannot occur of course. Therefore, such a philosopher could not have changed his mind based on data. What was wrong with him?

On your second point, where is the data which makes the rational person change his mind? If X would have putatively worked, but it was neither tested in time, nor is it relevant due to a changing world, then what grounds based on data are there to change one's mind to Y?
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Heh by R Mutt (3.00 / 3) #19 Fri Jul 07, 2006 at 07:04:10 AM EST
Anyone who thinks his political beliefs can be deduced entirely a priori is definitely not worth talking to.

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